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Post by Choirboy Dave on Nov 23, 2023 14:58:17 GMT
Now let me see The FA Cup We lost to Bracknell Bracknell lost to Horsham Horsham lost to Barnsley 1st round proper BUT Barnsley just got clobbered by the FA for playing an ineligble player so Horsham are reinstated with a home tie vs Sutton And your point is what exactly Master of Doom and Gloom? 🤷🏻♂️🤔 The point is that Horsham knocked Bracknell Town out of a completely different competition, the FA Trophy. But because Barnsley have been disqualified & Horsham reinstated in the FA Cup & we got knocked out by Bracknell who eventually got knocked out by Cambridge United, who haven't been thrown out, means had we beaten Bracknell in the FA Trophy, we would somehow be reinstated in the FA Cup! I then that is his point. How this could happen he doesn't make clear. But I am sure in his mind it is as clear as the sky's over the Canadian Rockies! |
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Post by expat on Nov 23, 2023 16:06:52 GMT
I am geographically situated about 2300 miles east of the Rockies
Its a big country, a Five hour flight to Vancouver from Toronto
our weather here is forecast for lake effect snow for the weekend
Cold NW wind over open warmer water equals snow;lots of it!
something like the Atlantic winds that produce the November Monsoons over SW England that funnel down on Tatnam!
Tatnam was the old source of spring water for Poole;Tatnam Farm weas a bleak soggy agricultural patch leading down to the brackish canals into Holes Bay
Anyway
Is there Any Chance the New Era Dolphins will get a Home match in Before 2024??
meanwhile
Salisbury are going to take a lot of catching up to.
The Big Iffy for the New Era Dolphins; An away match in the PlayOffs!
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Post by expat on Nov 23, 2023 16:18:08 GMT
The point is that even if you lose you can catch a big break into the 2nd round proper I think Stato you do a disservice to Doom and Gloom merchants 😉 New Era Dolphins last home match 21st October vs Chesham (L) Next Home Match AFAICS 2nd December where Fans are going to sing "Oh come all ye Faithful" |
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Post by BD on Nov 24, 2023 11:14:27 GMT
And your point is what exactly Master of Doom and Gloom? 🤷🏻♂️🤔 The point is that Horsham knocked Bracknell Town out of a completely different competition, the FA Trophy. But because Barnsley have been disqualified & Horsham reinstated in the FA Cup & we got knocked out by Bracknell who eventually got knocked out by Cambridge United, who haven't been thrown out, means had we beaten Bracknell in the FA Trophy, we would somehow be reinstated in the FA Cup! I then that is his point. How this could happen he doesn't make clear. But I am sure in his mind it is as clear as the sky's over the Canadian Rockies! It's didn't happen. Moot point |
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Post by expat on Nov 25, 2023 16:48:53 GMT
As this is the STADIUM thread
695 At New Cuthbury today. They are setting the bar high!
and if I was a businessman I would say that New Cuthbury is paying dividends T/F?
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Post by expat on Nov 25, 2023 18:08:37 GMT
played today and once again 695 attendance
can we match those figures??
Next two games should tell the tale!!
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Post by BD on Nov 25, 2023 18:10:12 GMT
As this is the STADIUM thread 695 At New Cuthbury today. They are setting the bar high! and if I was a businessman I would say that New Cuthbury is paying dividends T/F? Not sure about the relevance to Wimborne. Circumstances are massively different. They were lucky enough to have help from a developer that wanted the land. Who wants our school field? |
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Post by parky64 on Nov 25, 2023 19:51:25 GMT
played today and once again 695 attendance can we match those figures?? Next two games should tell the tale!! |
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Post by expat on Nov 25, 2023 21:00:35 GMT
I am not a WTFC supporter
I am.for better or worse. A PTFC supporter
And i am tired of seeing a club with so much potential being such massive underachievers
Look at our population and its wealth!
170.000 and we cannot field a side to beat a team from lesser Southampton on a Losing streak?
Yes,I AM emphasising the attendance figures at New Cuthbury because if PTFC doesn't address its inherent problems we will be trading places with them. We shipped our previous manager and a goodly portion of the team that started this season to Dorchester. Please tell me what has changed? Are we doing any better? Are the crowds rolling in to see the transformation(when we are open for business that is!)
Going along to get along will get us precisely what we are now looking at. A Mid table place!
If you want The Dolphins to slide into obscurity just keep making excuses and enabling mediocrity!
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Post by BD on Nov 26, 2023 8:54:55 GMT
I am not a WTFC supporter I am.for better or worse. A PTFC supporter And i am tired of seeing a club with so much potential being such massive underachievers Look at our population and its wealth! 170.000 and we cannot field a side to beat a team from lesser Southampton on a Losing streak? Yes,I AM emphasising the attendance figures at New Cuthbury because if PTFC doesn't address its inherent problems we will be trading places with them. We shipped our previous manager and a goodly portion of the team that started this season to Dorchester. Please tell me what has changed? Are we doing any better? Are the crowds rolling in to see the transformation(when we are open for business that is!) Going along to get along will get us precisely what we are now looking at. A Mid table place! If you want The Dolphins to slide into obscurity just keep making excuses and enabling mediocrity! No one is questioning your support for Poole, well, I for one am not. Your last post was probably one of your better ones, what I mean by that is that sometimes it's difficult to understand what your saying at times. You are right to point out that our Attendances aren't as good compared to them across the Stour, I have no ill will against them, I wish them all thr best. They have a good team, albeit in a lesser league, success draws a crowd. We've already highlighted why they have their great facilities, but i wonder, if they would still attract the crowds if they were struggling against better opposition? Regarding the manager situation. I for one thought it was an insane decision taken by the BOD, stupid timing, absolutely no need for such a knee jerk reaction. But that's not Matt Tubbs fault. Let's give him the rest of thr campaign, and if we have suffered mid table mediocrity or worse, then we can question his ability and fully aim our ire at the BOD. |
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Post by John Anderson on Nov 27, 2023 23:23:22 GMT
Well I think we should vote Farage Off……Sorry off subject.
On a serious note, the subject of the Stadium is one I have spouted on about many times but I decided to sit this one out for a while. Most of the points made here have been covered before.
We have discussed both Bearwood and especially Branksome to the nth degree. Neither was ideal but both were better than Tatnam in that we would be in charge of our own destiny. However that train has left the station.
We have two options, Tatnam Farm or the Stadium site. As things stand, neither is ideal. Both are the subject of restrictions that are very hard to remove. As far as I know, the Stadium is the subject of Restrictive Covenants. I do not know the full details but as I understand it, the land was given to the People of Poole to use for recreational purposes. Even the previously proposed re-development could have fallen foul of these. The existing Stadium cannot house a football pitch. Again, my memory may be wrong here but Ground Grading rules introduced since we left the Stadium would prevent us playing inside a Speedway Track. The maximum size of a Speedway track is too small to fit the minimum size of a football pitch. I also doubt that the other facilities would pass muster. The stadium is now getting on a bit so it would have to be redeveloped.
Tatnam is Educational Land and belongs to the School since it became an Academy. The School can veto anything planned be done there even if the Council are happy. One of the reasons the school side fence can be removed fairly easily. To change its designation requires permission from the DFE ( Department for Education). Under the current government they have a track record of insisting that released educational land is used for Free Schools. This will change if they lose the next General Election but do not hold your breath. The best hope is that some form of sporting academy be created in partnership with the School.
There real issue is that there is no available land of in Poole other than these two sites and the club cannot go forward until we have a resolution to the stadium issue. The teams performances and who the Manager are almost irrelevant to that although a win certainly cheers us up.
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Post by benito on Nov 28, 2023 12:39:46 GMT
Very sensible post, I don’t think anyone anywhere believes the football club can function on the stadium site with speedway still there. For the above reasons. As I’ve mentioned previously speedway is in decline (probably terminal decline) if speedway were to fold up then I see no reason the stadium site could not house a small football ground probably where the car park is currently. As John A said there are covenants in place for at least some of the site to be used for recreational purposes. So a community based stadium should tick the all the boxes.
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Post by rogermellie on Nov 28, 2023 21:23:17 GMT
Going to say this again but why would speedway be pushed out for us?
They get 4 to 5 times the crowds we do.
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Post by benito on Nov 29, 2023 9:05:23 GMT
Absolutely not saying speedway should be pushed out, if the speedway stays for 5/10 years so be it. We will never get a ground at the Stadium. But if the natural demise of the sport in general happens (which IMO inevitably will) as there are currently 7 teams in the top league and 9 teams in Poole’s league. Oxford have a team in each league, probably making the numbers look better. That’s when the Stadium site will be developed and that’s when I hope we get a small corner of it.
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Post by expat on Nov 29, 2023 11:26:17 GMT
Going to say this again but why would speedway be pushed out for us? They get 4 to 5 times the crowds we do. If we had a decent Stadium as befits a Town the size of Poole and a Club playing up to its potential in the National League then 2000 is eminently achievable! Of course the odd Cup run would help too! Can PTFC afford to spin its wheels in the Tatnam mud until 2029?? I fear that with such limited prospects a lot of punters will vote with their feet and yes,our neighbours to the north will be the beneficiaries! As they already are! When was the last time our BOD approached BPC and put some pressure on? Be nice to read the local press and see that efforts are being made to improve our lot Has an even temporary move to a refurbished County Ground been looked at? 2029 is six years down the road!! Rain is forecast for Thursday so all Dolphins fans will again have everything crossed Good win last night! Can we do two in a row! |
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Post by John Anderson on Nov 30, 2023 10:50:45 GMT
I would worry about Poole Town relying on a tenancy with a County FA as its landlord. IN recent years, County FAs have been quite unforgiving in their treatment of tenant clubs. I have no knowledge of how well or poorly Dorset FA have dealt with Hamworthy United BUT I believe the idea of being tenants, and possible joint tenants, is a non starter.
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Post by John Anderson on Nov 30, 2023 11:07:24 GMT
I did this some years ago BUT I revisited it today. Look at Google Earth and just search Poole. Then look at any area that could accommodate a stadium. There is almost no open space available within the old boundaries of Poole that are available for a Stadium, other than school playing fields and parks/nature reserves. The only places I can see are, possibly Canford Park Arena or the fields near Creekmoor. There is a small amount POSSIBLY north of Magna Road, close to the new AFCB training centre.
One of the real eye-openers is looking at the Stadium compared to the football pitch at Poole High (Henry Harbin to Expat) that is adjacent.
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Post by expat on Nov 30, 2023 14:16:32 GMT
Isnt it up to our BOD who are, we would hope, good negotiators and cognisant of property law etc., to hammer out some sort of agreement to the benefit of all parties
Its a strange situation in Poole isnt it?
We have a huge obsolescent Stadium that is used for Speedway once a week April to October and apparently no immediate plans to redevelop it!
we have an almost out of use Smaller ground with 3G pitch (currently being used for Dorset League fixtures by Hamworthy Res)
What are the projected costs of putting The County Ground back into spectator friendly condition?
And now we have WTFC playing in a new and apparently well used facility and publishing very good attendance numbers
although playing in a tier below us!
And we have our New Era Dolphins committed to playing on a drainage compromised School Field until 2029!
We are never going to "do a Wrexham" with the shackles of Tatnam around us
At least when the BOD got Mr Carr on board there was a flicker of hope for those of us who believe that Poole Town should have a home IN Poole and not in the outer asteroid belt of suburbia
Talking of Tatnam. How are we looking for Saturday?
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Post by rogermellie on Nov 30, 2023 20:28:20 GMT
I am getting truly annoyed that you can't see that Poole Stadium is in need of a lot of money spent on it before any football could be played there.
Also as I keep saying Speedway get far more paying punters through the turn styles than we do.
So why would a council get behind us and bin the bigger sport who has an owner who is not frightened to spend money.
I get a feeling there is some arrogance relating the club.
We are not Man Utd so why should BCP make us a priority?
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Post by rogermellie on Nov 30, 2023 20:38:32 GMT
I have been working at The New Cuthbury and the st up is lovely.
Having the bar so you can get straight to pitch is where they win in this situation.
If Tatnam was bulit in a similar manner we wouldn't be arguing about the ground.
The problem at Poole is it's a temporary situation that has gone on far too long.
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Post by expat on Nov 30, 2023 23:41:16 GMT
The ambition is for Poole Town to be playing in a facility commensurate with the size of the population
AND commensurate with the ambition of PTFC to play at a higher level
Unless we are running a social club rather than a Football Club
Your last sentence is one that I am sure 99% of Poole Fans agree with!
Isnt our job as supporters to make sure that our BOD are made aware at every opportunity that the situation has gone on too long,we are certainly not increasing our numbers are we? And I am sure that you are seeing the results of
both of our Clubs policies up at New Cuthbury
AND we would like to see something done about it!
My late uncle was a director of Poole Town Football Club when we had local businessmen proud to be associated with the Club. That scenario needs to be revisited!
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Post by benito on Dec 1, 2023 7:27:46 GMT
Expat, Your last sentence is correct to some degree. Our current BoD does have local business people on board but we need more. I have been around since the Stadium days when business did ‘put in’ I have a good mate who is owner of a local company that has done sponsorship at Hamworthy and Wimborne over the years. A while back he said if Poole ever got a proper ground (his words) he would definitely get involved but not at a temporary ground where there is no bar or prospect of advancement. I don’t want our BOD doing what the owners of the speedway did drop down a league, charge the same if not more to get in (ripping the fans off) purely to make money, and they certainly do not do that but to get the local business involved you need a project to run with IE new ground and club house.
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Post by expat on Dec 1, 2023 12:13:38 GMT
Thx Benito
We have to have some hope! On And Off the field
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we are waiting to see if our New Era Dolphins can do the "on the field bit"
The prospect of continuing on as tenants at Tatnam until 2029 however does not exactly give inspiration does it?
Its not just the postponements it is exactly as you point out. a deterrent to investment and lends us that awful reputation we have as a club that isnt going anywhere soon! That btw came from a chance conversation i had with an absentee punter up on Constitution hill last year! There are probably many like him voting with their feed and their wallets
440 at New Cuthbury on Tuesday a cold November night> I am not being disloyal in pointing out these numbers,I am trying to emphasise what an improved facility can mean to everyone!@
COYNED
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Post by expat on Dec 2, 2023 16:36:47 GMT
Dorchester match also abandoned..looks like fog!
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Post by expat on Dec 2, 2023 16:41:35 GMT
You cannot make this stuff up!!
After pitch inspection game gets through one half tied 1-1
5 Min into second half the floodlights go out
Match to be rearranged!
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Post by rob bayston on Dec 2, 2023 17:15:37 GMT
Who you blaming for this then?
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Post by deano is a dolphin on Dec 2, 2023 19:02:08 GMT
Who you blaming for this then? every Tom, Dick and Harry, f@@kin deluded |
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Post by Choirboy Dave on Dec 2, 2023 20:03:58 GMT
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Post by expat on Dec 3, 2023 13:23:18 GMT
just a comment as to our misfortune was what i intended
in days of yore. Militarily and in Industry we had
PMS
Preventive Maintenance Schedule!
Anyway lets back up that Echo letter and send a msg to all that are interested that we are NOT looking forward to SIX
more years at Tatnam
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Post by ballboy on Dec 3, 2023 14:08:25 GMT
Could be longer than SIX years more like TEN to TWENTY if EVER !!!
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