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Post by dorsetyellow on Mar 13, 2011 18:49:11 GMT
Why does this question keep coming up and we have to give the same answer time and time again?
Are you listening very carefully in Canada:
The Stadium playing surface is not large enough to play football on. The only way it can be is to get rid of Dogs and Speedway. NEVER going to happen, move on.
................unless we roll out an artifical, heated pitch and lay it on top, surely that would be achievable.......you might be onto something, don't know why the BOD have not considered this, they don't appear to be doing anything else at the moment.
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Post by dolphin47 on Mar 13, 2011 19:35:02 GMT
Expat this is an approximate image of Tatnum pitch overlaid on the Stadium. The red lines are the pitch with no allowances for the 1.5metres requires before fences or barriers. While Tatnum is a large pitch, clearly the Speedway track would have to go. But John, It doesn't have to be 'Tatnam's pitch inside there does it? After all the pitch at Tatnam is rather on the large side!! The pitch was a decent size as I remember it in the stadium when I first came across PTFC in the eighties!! Ok I did sometimes take the corner pieces of astroturf that were placed on the speedway track in after the game!! |
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Post by chrisreeves on Mar 13, 2011 19:48:50 GMT
Everyone please read and take on board what DY has written-if there was any chance at all of the Stadium being the answer do you not think we would have been going for it hell for leather!!
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Post by dubchek on Mar 13, 2011 19:53:14 GMT
Poole Stadium was built as a football ground for our club.
A full size pitch USED to be in place before Speedway.
If Bearwood is refused why the hell cant we go home?
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Post by RobTheShirt on Mar 13, 2011 20:38:00 GMT
Sometimes I despair of the repetitive twaddle that periodically appears on this forum.
Yes PTFC is VERY important to a minority of people in Poole. If it was of any importance to the majority we would be getting gates far in excess of 250 - 300.
At our level we are very successful and could be successful at a higher level...............in time but lets not forget that our level is 8 levels below the top.
Meanwhile we have in the town a highly succesful speedway team in Poole Pirates who are always at the top of the NATIONAL speedway heirarchy or thereabouts. That's at the top of step 1, not step 9. If you want to know more about it, ask Steve & Mandy who are our resident experts on speedway.
Now it doesn't take a GCSE in rocket science to work out who regularly gets the most publicity for Poole, Speedway or PTFC. We might not like it but it's a fact.
So, when we spout on about getting the Speedway/dogs chucked out we are kidding ourselves. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!.
Much as our councillors might like the idea of having a succesful non league football team in the borough, they would certainly not promote it at the expense of an already established institution.
FCS let the BOD get on with their already difficult job without having to come on here every few days dealing with the same old cr@p.
Rant over.
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Post by sterteroad on Mar 13, 2011 21:41:10 GMT
Sometimes I despair of the repetitive twaddle that periodically appears on this forum. Yes PTFC is VERY important to a minority of people in Poole. If it was of any importance to the majority we would be getting gates far in excess of 250 - 300. At our level we are very successful and could be successful at a higher level...............in time but lets not forget that our level is 8 levels below the top. Meanwhile we have in the town a highly succesful speedway team in Poole Pirates who are always at the top of the NATIONAL speedway heirarchy or thereabouts. That's at the top of step 1, not step 9. If you want to know more about it, ask Steve & Mandy who are our resident experts on speedway. Now it doesn't take a GCSE in rocket science to work out who regularly gets the most publicity for Poole, Speedway or PTFC. We might not like it but it's a fact. So, when we spout on about getting the Speedway/dogs chucked out we are kidding ourselves. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!. Much as our councillors might like the idea of having a succesful non league football team in the borough, they would certainly not promote it at the expense of an already established institution. FCS let the BOD get on with their already difficult job without having to come on here every few days dealing with the same old cr@p. Rant over. I totally agree Rob. About time some people actually started listening to the facts of life for us in this Borough...... |
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 13, 2011 22:00:24 GMT
Expat this is an approximate image of Tatnum pitch overlaid on the Stadium. The red lines are the pitch with no allowances for the 1.5metres requires before fences or barriers. While Tatnum is a large pitch, clearly the Speedway track would have to go. But John, It doesn't have to be 'Tatnam's pitch inside there does it? After all the pitch at Tatnam is rather on the large side!! The pitch was a decent size as I remember it in the stadium when I first came across PTFC in the eighties!! Ok I did sometimes take the corner pieces of astroturf that were placed on the speedway track in after the game!! Yes Steve Tatnam is large but the point I was trying to make was that it won't fit now and will not until the Greyhounds and Speedway go. If they do go the ground will be sold as a town centre site and the Dolphins could never afford the price that Stadia PLC would want for it. They are a PLC and would want a massive sum. The fact that it is a stadium is irrelevant. It might as well be a sewerage works as far as we are concerned it has gone, is gone for good and all. I don't know what is going on for the BoD at the moment but for them and us there is a ludicrous amount of work to do in both achieving promotion and the fight for Bearwood over the next few months. Please everyone don't lose sight of the goals. |
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Post by benito on Mar 13, 2011 22:54:41 GMT
If my memory serves me right, I was under the impression that when Stadia UK/Bristol Scott or who ever took over the running of 'stadium' it was on the proviso that they upgraded the the main grandstand in a certain time frame. As from memory it had been classed as dangerous by the relevant authorities (fire) As I am sure we can all see the old dilapidated main stand has never been upgraded, which surly is a breach of the original lease agreement with the owners Poole Council. If this is the case then surly we as Poole council tax payers and Poole football supporters have a duty to follow this up, because IF the current lease holders are in breach of the lease they should be removed which I am sure would mean both Dogs and Speedway as the Speedway only lease the stadium per meeting. Poole Council turning a blind eye me thinks.
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Post by expat on Mar 13, 2011 23:42:26 GMT
;D ;D ;D We lived with the greyhounds and speedway before and the chances of Poole Stadium transforming into other than what it is I would think is very remote in this economic climate. in this day and age with transportation costs rising core areas of towns and cities are needing jobs and renovation even here in car crazy North America more and more sports arenas are being located close to business and transportation in downtown locations.Building on greenfield sites attracts a lot of attention. viz Branksome Rec/Bearwood I have a sneaking doubt that Poole council will pass Bearwood.....otherwise why all this confusion?  ? . I think what is getting us a little excited is that for the PAST TWO SEASONS at about this time the word comes down from on high that we cannot get promoted because....... AND WE DO NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR!! but we still seem as far as ever from a permanent home barring the miracles of cunning plans!! What for instance will be the fan limit at Bearwood? Will it allow for a crowd of 5000 for a FA Cup game Can't see the locals/poole council liking that If we are thinking of 200/300 crowds as our norm then lets think small and stay small..and end up where??..as i said yesterday, look at that Conference South table and try to find the clubs with better demographics than ours. UP THE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN!! |
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Post by dolphin47 on Mar 14, 2011 0:48:10 GMT
Cheers Rob, yes Mandy and I do know a little bit about speedway espeically Poole Pirates it's true and yes they do make the headlines because they are VERY succesful and are certainly at the top of their game which I hope the dolphins will be one day!!
I don't personally want to go back to the stadium because like so many of us say that we have the memories of our various era's in the stadium and basically how distant you felt from the football bearing in minde the gap between the main stand and the pitch.
But heyhoe we are NOT going back in so I like most of the loyal on here understand lets move on with the club with what they call Progress and BOD we are all behind you and even Canada is too!!!
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Post by expat on Mar 14, 2011 2:32:49 GMT
Poole Stadium was built as a football ground for our club. A full size pitch USED to be in place before Speedway. If Bearwood is refused why the hell cant we go home? Because: Poole Stadium is only 500 yds from the Bus Station Poole Stadium is only 300 yds from the Train Station Poole Stadium has XXX number of parking spaces None of the above make any sense do they?? Poole Stadium is situated in one of the most densely populated areas of the Town There are insurmountable and unsolvable problems with the playing area at Poole Stadium There are insurmountable and unsolvable problems fixing up the Stadium generally(although it would create jobs) There are insurmountable problems and unsolvable with Poole Council and the Company leasing the Stadium over having a football field at the Stadium ............that is why we can't go "home" Because all the above obviously make The Stadium a most unsuitable venue for Poole Town Football Club. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...........Keep the Town in Poole coz we will NOT be playing at Bearwood any time soon according to the information that we are being given here!! |
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Mar 14, 2011 2:46:31 GMT
The following seems clear to me:-
1) Teams cannot use ground share arrangements just to get promotion because it is - apparently - contrary to FA rules (in spite of FC United doing it for years at Bury!).
2) If we are to be promoted at the end of this season (assuming we win the WPL for the 3rd time in succession) then we have to have a suitable ground that will pass ground grading for Step 4 by March 31st.
3) If that ground is not ready by that time (and Bearwood, even if planning permission was to be granted, obviously won't be) then we MAY be able to ground share - IF we can find a suitable ground to share (e.g. Weymouth) OR if we can find a suitable alternative (e.g. King's Park).
4) King's Park seems to be the preferred option.
5) The Stadium is NOT an option.
6) Consideration of Bearwood has been postponed TWICE; there exists an unfavourable PPI report; according to Poole Council Planning Dept website the "determination date" (which I take to mean 'decision date') is now in MAY!
7) Point 6) above seems to indicate that Bearwood will NOT be approved and (unless there are grounds for appeal) it never will be!
8) CD, the BOD and probably loads more people have made untiring and strenuous efforts to get the club a new ground for which we should all genuinely be very grateful.
9) Unless the 'cunning plan' referred to elsewhere comes to fruition (and if Bearwood is refused it will become the ONLY option!) those efforts will have failed through no fault of their own.
10) In that case a large amount of the club's money and the BOD's time and effort will have been wasted on the Bearwood scheme (and maybe other plans) again through no fault of their own!
11) The fans should be kept fully informed at all stages unless really sensitive negotiations are at risk even if they have to be sworn to secrecy or even if it is only on the Supporters Club Members section.
12) Notwithstanding the relative standing of Speedway (hardly a national sporting obssession) and Step 4 football, PTFC are a FA Charter Standard club which has done an enormous amount of work in the community and obtained a considerable amount of favourable publicity for the town in recent years.
13) If the club don't go up this year there will be a huge loss of morale and impetus and perhaps players.
14) It is Poole Council (probably council officers as well as councillors) that will have let the club down yet again and all fans should do whatever they can to let ALL the councillors know how they feel through e-mails, letters, letters to the press and media at JohnA's signal!
I will be writing - again - to all Poole Councillors when I get JohnA's signal (see JohnA's thread "Bearwood - at my signal unleash hell") Meanwhile;-
COME ON YOU DOLPHINS
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 14, 2011 9:07:25 GMT
I woke up in a good mood Brian and having read the overnight posts, am now reaching for the bottle (Carnage Juice).
While your analysis is not innaccurate I am surprisingly upbeat about Bearwood. I am only concerned at the delays and I realise that it will be a bit of a roller coaster for us until we get planning permission. Have faith, we will prevail.
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Post by chrisreeves on Mar 14, 2011 19:27:20 GMT
At the risk of repetition and hopefully my last posting on the Stadium--unless there was a massive unprecedented philanthropic about turn by The Stadium tenants and PBC together with either the dogs or speedway-and possibly both because how we used to cobble a pitch together in the old days would not be allowed now- ceasing to exist,the Stadium is never going to be the answer.
Also it would probably cost more than Bearwood with less aspects of that cost grant eligible-also the rent would be enormous also also also!!!!!
Get my drift!
The BOD try and be as open as we can but a lot has to be kept quiet-we are devoting massive swathes of time every day to try and achieve our goals.
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Post by slepe12 on Mar 14, 2011 20:46:46 GMT
At the risk of repetition and hopefully my last posting on the Stadium--unless there was a massive unprecedented philanthropic about turn by The Stadium tenants and PBC together with either the dogs or speedway-and possibly both because how we used to cobble a pitch together in the old days would not be allowed now- ceasing to exist,the Stadium is never going to be the answer. Also it would probably cost more than Bearwood with less aspects of that cost grant eligible-also the rent would be enormous also also also!!!!! Get my drift! The BOD try and be as open as we can but a lot has to be kept quiet-we are devoting massive swathes of time every day to try and achieve our goals. Hope this draws a line under the Stadium diversion. We need to focus our efforts on the only realistic plan on the table, BEARWOOD. And if it's not to be...........it's not to be. We still have Tatnam, and I've never had a better time as a football spectator than I've had there. I realise there maybe implications if we don't progress, and every effort should be made to ensure that happens. Democracy determines the majority rules, so if that means we miss out then that's what will happen. Poole Town will live on, in a hard world that is in it's self an achievement. Go for it Chris!! We know your efforts are unstinting, keep us in the loop, rent a mob will be there when needed. |
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Post by sterteroad on Mar 15, 2011 9:54:17 GMT
At the risk of repetition and hopefully my last posting on the Stadium--unless there was a massive unprecedented philanthropic about turn by The Stadium tenants and PBC together with either the dogs or speedway-and possibly both because how we used to cobble a pitch together in the old days would not be allowed now- ceasing to exist,the Stadium is never going to be the answer. Also it would probably cost more than Bearwood with less aspects of that cost grant eligible-also the rent would be enormous also also also!!!!! Get my drift! The BOD try and be as open as we can but a lot has to be kept quiet-we are devoting massive swathes of time every day to try and achieve our goals. Hope this draws a line under the Stadium diversion. We need to focus our efforts on the only realistic plan on the table, BEARWOOD. And if it's not to be...........it's not to be. We still have Tatnam, and I've never had a better time as a football spectator than I've had there. I realise there maybe implications if we don't progress, and every effort should be made to ensure that happens. Democracy determines the majority rules, so if that means we miss out then that's what will happen. Poole Town will live on, in a hard world that is in it's self an achievement. Go for it Chris!! We know your efforts are unstinting, keep us in the loop, rent a mob will be there when needed. Well said Slepe. Back the Board!!!!!! |
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Post by dorsetfozzie on Mar 15, 2011 21:56:11 GMT
Not wishing to prolong the stadium debate as I know it is a no-goer but just out of interest how much is the stadium worth if sold? (you never know I might win the Euromillions this week!).
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 15, 2011 23:36:11 GMT
€100,000,000,000,000?
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