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Post by Commercial Director on Mar 16, 2011 0:24:35 GMT
Word from BoP is now 14th Apr.
They will not dare delay from here.
See the Echo later today.
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 16, 2011 8:31:40 GMT
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Mar 16, 2011 9:53:02 GMT
Can you supply time and venue nearer the 14th CD please.
Well; you never know!!!!
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Post by Commercial Director on Mar 16, 2011 10:03:44 GMT
Will do, suspect 1400 Civic Offices
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Post by sterteroad on Mar 16, 2011 10:21:15 GMT
Dylan will be there.
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Post by slepe12 on Mar 16, 2011 11:24:37 GMT
So will I. I am looking forward to seeing that bunch of plonkers having to finally concede to the application, followed I'm sure by an ironic cheer  |
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Post by Daniel Silk on Mar 29, 2011 11:06:32 GMT
If all goes well  When do you think work will start on the new ground? How long will it take? and when would Poole hope to play their first game there? |
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Mar 29, 2011 12:35:15 GMT
That's a really hard question Dan.
Assuming we get planning consent on the 14th, which is not absolutely certain, I don't think it'll be until 2012 sometime.
There will be others far more qualified than I am to give you an estimate which I hope they do.
COYD
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Post by sam on Mar 29, 2011 14:44:31 GMT
The planning committee meeting is in the morning of the April 14th at the Hamworthy Club.
The council confirmed the booking with the Hamworthy Club yesterday.
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Post by sterteroad on Mar 29, 2011 20:07:52 GMT
Will be there.
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Post by chrisreeves on Mar 30, 2011 7:41:22 GMT
Just so there is no misunderstanding-this is the Magna Road Ham Rec club.
the start time is 9.30 am on thursday 14th
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 30, 2011 9:07:27 GMT
If all goes well When do you think work will start on the new ground? How long will it take? and when would Poole hope to play their first game there? That is a hard question to answer Daniel. Many of the grants available can only be applied once planning permission has been given. There will be a delay while the grants are processed and other fundraising activities bear fruit (money). Once there is a substantial sum promised,or in the bank, the work will start. It was hoped that season 2012/2013 but we have already had a two month delay so who knows. A wise man was asked how to get to Bearwood. His answer "If I wanted to get to Bearwood, I wouldn't start from here".  |
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Post by WelshDolphin on Mar 30, 2011 9:54:10 GMT
I notice on Facebook that the recommendation is for refusal. Generally the feeling on the messageboard has been positive and that we might finally get somewhere with Bearwood application. Are we heading for disappointment again? The cynic in me feels that the council have booked the meeting local to Bearwood (rather than use the council offices) so that as many objectors can turn up and they can feel justified in turning it down.  Let's hope not. |
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Mar 30, 2011 10:22:51 GMT
I notice on Facebook that the recommendation is for refusal. Generally the feeling on the messageboard has been positive and that we might finally get somewhere with Bearwood application. Are we heading for disappointment again? The cynic in me feels that the council have booked the meeting local to Bearwood (rather than use the council offices) so that as many objectors can turn up and they can feel justified in turning it down. Let's hope not. You're not cynical newintown, just realistic. We are dealing with a council that doesn't seem to appreciate the benefits a successful community football club brings to the area and seems to want to do everything it can to frustrate us. The silence from the council members is deafening and the choice of venue is sinister. You are right to be concerned.  I must ask JohnA - when do we start to put whatever pressure we can on the councillors again?  |
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Post by chrisreeves on Mar 30, 2011 12:28:16 GMT
there are some rather obscure policy issues that lie behind the recommendation to refuse.
we always knew about this and were advised we may well need to appeal to get success.
this has been mentioned many times.
the fact is that the officers report is reasonably balanced and there is an awful lot of reasons within the report for the councillors to override the recommendation.
we feel we have more chance of success first time than we perhaps at one stage thought we might and hopefully have a better chance on appeal if that's the way it has to go.
we must take every opportunity to impress the council with the high level of support for the scheme that exists and the huge benefit for youngsters for football generally as well as PTFC in particular that it brings to the table.
the benefit to the locals is highlighted by the positive open meeting and the lack of objection that has been voiced.The recent postings must surely be diminished in credibility by their late arrival.
the official consultees don't have any issues and there is good solid support from many quarters.
we must build on and stress the positives rather than criticise the Council.
a good turnout on 14th is vital
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 30, 2011 12:56:33 GMT
Brian,
I think that, in general the Councillors are not against us. Unlike Branksome, the local Merley & Bearwood Councillors (and many others) are in favour of the project.
As the planning meeting was delayed, comments are still possible via the PBC website. Comments should be well argued and where directly contrary to another comment, be polite and courteous to the other viewpoint.
The change of venue and time is unfortunate and is an about turn by the planning dept. They have said that there would be no need for a Public Meeting. It would be interesting to know what caused this change of heart although I do not see it as ominous.
The planning department must be seen to be allowing everyone every chance of having their say. Holding the meeting in Canford Magna allows local people to walk to the meeting. It is unfortunate means that many of us will have to change established plans on the day.
To badger councillors directly at this stage will be counterproductive. Better to write letters to the Editor of the Bournemouth Echo, either via snail mail or online via the Echo website. His name is Neil Butterworth if you would like to address your letter directly to him.
Comment online on the PBC website. Add to the comments in favour as there does not seem to be a limit to the number of comment per person. Write to Radio Solent. Comment on BBC Dorset.
Remember that any comments should be positive toward the planning application, negative comments against the Council or opponents will reflect badly on the club. It is the local government employees, NOT the Councillors that have handled all aspects of the application to date.
Kill them with kindness, show them what nice reasonable people we are. We should welcome this opportunity for a free and frank discussion of the issues with all interested parties, whether for or agin us.
The recommendation from the Planning Department is to reject the application. This was almost inevitable as the application contradicts the recommendations of the local plan. I am sure that there will be strong arguments against the planning depts. recommendation at the meeting.
The decision will be taken by the Councillors on the Planning Committee, taking into account all the evidence and comments received and presented.
So make your comments either online or to the media, keep the comments to the point, supportive of the club. Quote the club's on-field successes this year. How the club is a valued asset, putting the town on the map etc. How the 3G pitch will place valued asset in the heart of the community etc.
This is the most important match this year so every piece of support is vital, whether written or by attendance on at the meeting.
The team always do it on the pitch for us so its time to repay them and win Bearwood for them.
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Post by sterteroad on Mar 30, 2011 19:57:30 GMT
We knew that it could be rejected according to the local plan, but I believe that an appeal would the the order of the day as the plan is legally sound.
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Post by Commercial Director on Mar 30, 2011 23:40:51 GMT
Arrive for the meeting showing your colours - Shirts, Scarves, Hats, Flags etc. Let's show how much this means to us.
The choice of venue is not a surprise, if we can't get there for this meeting, then why are we building a ground a few hundred metres away?
Take the morning off work as we need to show we want this and we care about the future progression of this club.
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 31, 2011 8:00:13 GMT
I had thought that a meeting in the Bearwood/Canford Magna area was likely but in January I was told by the planning dept. "It is not envisaged at this stage that a Special Committee meeting will be required therefore it is currently planned to be held at the Civic Centre as normal."
I have no problem with the change of venue but the change of time is a problem for me and I suspect other people. Of course I will be there.
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Post by sterteroad on Mar 31, 2011 9:14:43 GMT
I will be able to give people lifts.
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Post by slepe12 on Mar 31, 2011 12:59:00 GMT
I had thought that a meeting in the Bearwood/Canford Magna area was likely but in January I was told by the planning dept. "It is not envisaged at this stage that a Special Committee meeting will be required therefore it is currently planned to be held at the Civic Centre as normal." I have no problem with the change of venue but the change of time is a problem for me and I suspect other people. Of course I will be there. John just so I can get it clear in my mind........  Are you saying the council planning department will recommend refusal, but the Councillors are possibly going to overrule this decision on the same day?. |
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Post by Daniel Silk on Mar 31, 2011 13:04:31 GMT
Such an important day for the Club  I will be there for sure! |
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 31, 2011 14:24:48 GMT
I had thought that a meeting in the Bearwood/Canford Magna area was likely but in January I was told by the planning dept. "It is not envisaged at this stage that a Special Committee meeting will be required therefore it is currently planned to be held at the Civic Centre as normal." I have no problem with the change of venue but the change of time is a problem for me and I suspect other people. Of course I will be there. John just so I can get it clear in my mind........ Are you saying the council planning department will recommend refusal, but the Councillors are possibly going to overrule this decision on the same day?. Let me say again I am not an expert and have little inside knowledge but I will answer to the best of my knowledge. Yes it is quite possible that this would happen. Otherwise there would be no point in having the meeting. The PPI from the Planning Department is one of about 20 reports submitted and it is the only one that is negative from our point of view. Of course the Planning Committee have to give a great deal of weight to the PPI, and as most members of the Committee have served for some years, they are fully aware of the intricacies of the local plan including why, and how, it was developed in the way it was. So what are our chances? When the application was put in it was almost certain say 95% that the application would be refused. However there was a good chance that the decision would be overturned on appeal. The support we have had and other factors makes it much harder to refuse outright and if I were a betting man (which I am not) I would say that the vote will be close but that it is still likely that we are now in the 55-70% area. So it is still probable that we could be refused planning permission on the 14th. We can move the odds in our favour by turning up on the day, conducting ourselves in an orderly manner, and observing the rules and etiquette of the meeting. In my opinion, as suggested by CD, we should attend in out colours and it should be Red, not the blue away colours. I think I will also be wearing a suit as we are representing the club at an official function. It is a bit like a vase semi final. A defeat in the first match does not mean we are out as the chances of a successful 2nd leg/appeal are good. If you have any more questions, I will answer them as well as I can, with limited knowledge, on an open forum. |
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Post by slepe12 on Mar 31, 2011 15:00:32 GMT
John just so I can get it clear in my mind........ Are you saying the council planning department will recommend refusal, but the Councillors are possibly going to overrule this decision on the same day?. Let me say again I am not an expert and have little inside knowledge but I will answer to the best of my knowledge. Yes it is quite possible that this would happen. Otherwise there would be no point in having the meeting. The PPI from the Planning Department is one of about 20 reports submitted and it is the only one that is negative from our point of view. Of course the Planning Committee have to give a great deal of weight to the PPI, and as most members of the Committee have served for some years, they are fully aware of the intricacies of the local plan including why, and how, it was developed in the way it was. So what are our chances? When the application was put in it was almost certain say 95% that the application would be refused. However there was a good chance that the decision would be overturned on appeal. The support we have had and other factors makes it much harder to refuse outright and if I were a betting man (which I am not) I would say that the vote will be close but that it is still likely that we are now in the 55-70% area. So it is still probable that we could be refused planning permission on the 14th. We can move the odds in our favour by turning up on the day, conducting ourselves in an orderly manner, and observing the rules and etiquette of the meeting. In my opinion, as suggested by CD, we should attend in out colours and it should be Red, not the blue away colours. I think I will also be wearing a suit as we are representing the club at an official function. It is a bit like a vase semi final. A defeat in the first match does not mean we are out as the chances of a successful 2nd leg/appeal are good. If you have any more questions, I will answer them as well as I can, with limited knowledge, on an open forum. So you are saying we have a 55-70% chance of getting the approval we need on the 14th. |
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 31, 2011 15:34:55 GMT
No Slepe I am saying that it is still just against us. I was going to say 55% against but I don't want to raise hope too much. The difference is that now we are close enough to make a difference on the day.
The local Merley and Bearwood Councillors are with us, as are most of the residents of Bearwood. I don't know how the planning meetings go but I would expect arguments to be put on the day. On that basis, I expect the gap to narrow even further but it is too close to call.
The closer it is on the 14th, the more likely any appeal would succeed and that is why it is vital that as many as possible of us attend.
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Post by slepe12 on Mar 31, 2011 17:50:45 GMT
No Slepe I am saying that it is still just against us. I was going to say 55% against but I don't want to raise hope too much. The difference is that now we are close enough to make a difference on the day. The local Merley and Bearwood Councillors are with us, as are most of the residents of Bearwood. I don't know how the planning meetings go but I would expect arguments to be put on the day. On that basis, I expect the gap to narrow even further but it is too close to call. The closer it is on the 14th, the more likely any appeal would succeed and that is why it is vital that as many as possible of us attend. But there will be a decision on the day!! |
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 31, 2011 17:57:24 GMT
Yes, there is all the information available to make a decision so there will be a decision on the 14th April.
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Post by Alistair on Mar 31, 2011 17:58:04 GMT
I'll definitely be there.
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Apr 3, 2011 17:27:09 GMT
I've been told the meeting is at 9.30a.m. That rules out a drive from where I'll be on that day I'm afraid. Sorry everyone!!
OPIP
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Post by sterteroad on Apr 3, 2011 20:08:11 GMT
Fingers crossed.
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Are you saying the council planning department will recommend refusal, but the Councillors are possibly going to overrule this decision on the same day?. 