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Post by sterteroad on Jan 25, 2010 16:14:38 GMT
Why not Poppies, nice ground with good facilities We can't groundshare with a team in the same League.
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Post by stfcinbmth on Jan 25, 2010 16:47:05 GMT
Ah
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Post by benchwarmer on Jan 25, 2010 17:13:09 GMT
Why not Poppies, nice ground with good facilities We can't groundshare with a team in the same League. If you get promoted, then Poppies would not be in the same league! Hope you guys find a long term home soon though..good luck!
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Post by Commercial Director on Jan 25, 2010 17:18:57 GMT
Actually the WPL rules do not allow groundsharing regardless of the level of the guest club, although FA rules do not exclude it.
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Post by expat on Jan 25, 2010 17:27:46 GMT
We can't groundshare with a team in the same League. If you get promoted, then Poppies would not be in the same league! Hope you guys find a long term home soon though..good luck! That's what I call positive thinking benchwarmer!!
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Post by chrisk on Jan 25, 2010 22:09:21 GMT
I thought being the groundsman I would stick my thought in, as far as I understand Wimborne pitch would not make the next grade as its slopes away to much. As you start to climb the leagues, a better playing surface is required . I dont think there is a clear ground in our league that has the best of both worlds ie close to us and is a good pitch and meets the requirements. New Milton would be an obvious choice if it was not so far away and with a little work (ie goal mouths)
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Post by towncrier on Jan 26, 2010 0:27:57 GMT
I thought being the groundsman I would stick my thought in, as far as I understand Wimborne pitch would not make the next grade as its slopes away to much. As you start to climb the leagues, a better playing surface is required . I dont think there is a clear ground in our league that has the best of both worlds ie close to us and is a good pitch and meets the requirements. New Milton would be an obvious choice if it was not so far away and with a little work (ie goal mouths) Cuthbury passed inspection and has been approved for Step 4 entry. The slope had nothing to do with it I believe and all other facilities met the requirements.
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Post by sterteroad on Jan 26, 2010 9:40:39 GMT
I thought being the groundsman I would stick my thought in, as far as I understand Wimborne pitch would not make the next grade as its slopes away to much. As you start to climb the leagues, a better playing surface is required . I dont think there is a clear ground in our league that has the best of both worlds ie close to us and is a good pitch and meets the requirements. New Milton would be an obvious choice if it was not so far away and with a little work (ie goal mouths) Cuthbury passed inspection and has been approved for Step 4 entry. The slope had nothing to do with it I believe and all other facilities met the requirements. But will there still be a football ground there, not if our friends the HMRC and others have their way. Remember the cricket ground.
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Post by towncrier on Jan 26, 2010 15:11:47 GMT
Well the recent and past owners of the Cricket Ground are the same people who own Cuthbury, so it is all a possibility I guess?
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Post by albeano on Jan 27, 2010 15:51:55 GMT
As someone that has followed and watched Poole town for well over 40 years I am no longer in favour of ground sharing anywhere, least of all Bournemouth. My favoured choice would be Canford arena. O.k. it would mean no promotion this season, most frustrating I know, but a huge consideration must be the financial aspect. Ground sharing would cost money where ever it may be, Canford will of course cost money so any other expense would not be helpful to that end, and with a little assistance from the very shrewd move of "our Charlie" recently, Poole Town could end up with ground to be really proud of, one that the better players would want to play on and I am sure promotion would would follow.
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Post by justafan on Jan 27, 2010 19:49:52 GMT
I know my eyesight isn't what it was but I can't see any mention of sharing with Hamworthy Utd. Am I missing something here or is that not at all possible? I note the comments about 'same league' etc, but if we again win the league title Hamworthy would definitely be in a different league and possibly two leagues below if they get relegated!!
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Post by expat on Jan 27, 2010 20:33:02 GMT
As someone that has followed and watched Poole town for well over 40 years I am no longer in favour of ground sharing anywhere, least of all Bournemouth. My favoured choice would be Canford arena. O.k. it would mean no promotion this season, most frustrating I know, but a huge consideration must be the financial aspect. Ground sharing would cost money where ever it may be, Canford will of course cost money so any other expense would not be helpful to that end, and with a little assistance from the very shrewd move of "our Charlie" recently, Poole Town could end up with ground to be really proud of, one that the better players would want to play on and I am sure promotion would would follow. ;D ;D ;D Started watching Poole in the early 50s. We should not pass up on promotion again this year. There are other teams in the WL just as ambitious as us.....we cannot afford to disappoint the fans and playing staff two years in a row, as another contributor posted earlier, how can we predict when the chance will come again. Build it and they will come. Keep the pressure on the politicians.....we are are a beacon of success and Poole generally needs it!! UP THE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN!!
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Jan 28, 2010 17:35:09 GMT
I know my eyesight isn't what it was but I can't see any mention of sharing with Hamworthy Utd. Am I missing something here or is that not at all possible? I note the comments about 'same league' etc, but if we again win the league title Hamworthy would definitely be in a different league and possibly two leagues below if they get relegated!! It happened some years ago justafan and evidently wasn't too successful then but time has moved on since then and things (and people) at both clubs may be a lot different now so why not???
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Post by slepe12 on Jan 28, 2010 19:04:20 GMT
I know my eyesight isn't what it was but I can't see any mention of sharing with Hamworthy Utd. Am I missing something here or is that not at all possible? I note the comments about 'same league' etc, but if we again win the league title Hamworthy would definitely be in a different league and possibly two leagues below if they get relegated!! It happened some years ago justafan and evidently wasn't too successful then but time has moved on since then and things (and people) at both clubs may be a lot different now so why not??? Hmmm. I've been there recently to watch a match and I was at the Boxing day game at Tatnam, they didn't seem all that friendly. Ask Parky, about the night I made a throw away remark about a dog. A "lady" with the Hammers was upset and accused me of calling her a dog.
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Post by parky on Jan 28, 2010 20:09:19 GMT
And sorry if i'm repeating a previous message, but even if were in a higher league, we can not share with a wessex club, as its against wessex rules !
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Post by justafan on Jan 28, 2010 21:53:56 GMT
Thanks for the clarification Parky, but that being the case then as far as I'm aware we have very few options to groundshare in this area, being AFCB, Bashley, Dorch Town or Weymouth who fit the bill requirement wise. Some choice!! Also, if we did agree to groundshare and then, heaven forbid, we didn't win the league what happens then? Do we stay at Tatnam or be forced to pursue the groundshare?
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Jan 29, 2010 10:14:36 GMT
Yes, thanks parky what you said certainly clarifies things. It's a minefield isn't it!!?? We really do need our own ground!!
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Post by dave2 on Jan 29, 2010 12:31:01 GMT
It is a sad state of affairs that Poole the largest town in Dorset, the largest town in England to not have a team in the Football League, does not even have a football ground that allows any team to play in the next stage of the non league pyramid!!!
Only the towns in Dorset such as Dorchester and Weymouth (and maybe Wimborne) have such facilities and they are far smaller in population!
The Council should be ashamed that this situation has occurred and should be supportive of any scheme to put it right.
Other smaller towns in England (and in some cases villages) have better sports facilities than Poole.
Lets hope we can put this right.
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Post by expat on Jan 29, 2010 12:53:46 GMT
;D ;D ;D dave2, a copy of your post should be on the desk of every Poole councillor.....its a shame that we did not go further in the FA Cup or FA Vase as that would have been deliciously embarrassing to see them squirm as the awkward questions came in from the national press. On a lighter note I am prepared to be unofficial and unpaid PTFC scout in North America as MLS players like Cream seem to be doing well over there.!! Prediction League PTFC 3 Moneyfields 0
BACK TO BACK
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Post by clive on Jan 29, 2010 12:55:34 GMT
Just to clarify a few points:
If we conclude a groundshare arrangement with another Club we have the right to exercise that option or not, as the case may be.
The arrangement would only kick in if we win promotion and the new ground looks a little more than a pipe dream. We have to convince the FA that we will get the planning permissions necessary and the required funding. All very early days yet.
We also , as a Club, have to interact with our supporters should we win the League as to whether the concensus want to move up a division in a shared venue or stay at Tatnam until the new ground is ready. The down side of this is the need for winning the League a third time to ensure an offer of promotion.
Last and most important is the level of funding that the Club will be expected to contribute to the new development. Obviously we have to give some financial guarantees as to our share of the cost and we also have to invest more money, I suspect, in the team at Southern level. When the time is right and assuming we win the League we must all give our opinions given the different options we might have. The Board desparately want PTFC to move up the pyramid but not if that means living from hand to mouth like the bad old days after Derek Block. The trouble with managing the finances of a football club is that when money is tight then all sorts of stresses and strains are placed upon those that ultimately make decisions and this ends up with a rapid turnover of Directors and Management. We have avoided this at PTFC over the years and have been more than prudent with our meagre resources , a path which we will continue to tread.
All contributors to this web forum will, I hope, appreciate the fine line between being 'hard up' and 'skint'. The latter is not an option.
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Post by expat on Jan 29, 2010 13:43:18 GMT
;D ;D ;D it may not be what we want and not in our future but could we not lease the Stadium on a very short term basis or is out of the question. The other thing that has bothered me from time immemorial is"investors".......how does a team like WXXXXXXE have them apparently waiting in the wings whilst we, a bigger and richer town seem to have no punters willing to have a go on what would appear to be a much better bet? Answering my own question it is probably because investors are sharp enough to see that if there is no political support for semi-pro football in the Borough then they are not going to put their money in. Perhaps we should do a leaflet drop near Harry's house!! Anyway i am confident that the club will find that the current fan base will support them as, and however it attempts to progress
UP THE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN!!
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Post by chrisreeves on Jan 29, 2010 13:58:18 GMT
expat-don't make the mistake of believing everything you read in the paper nor underestimating the backers that PTFC are lucky to have--we don't owe a penny! Even after£19000 worth of expense re B.Rec
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Post by chrisreeves on Jan 29, 2010 14:04:01 GMT
sorry-meant to add that the Stadium is out of the question -the reasons go on and on but apart from anything else we know that there isnt enough room in the middle for even a primary school pitch!!!
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Jan 29, 2010 14:28:35 GMT
Actually the WPL rules do not allow groundsharing regardless of the level of the guest club, although FA rules do not exclude it. If you go on to the WPL site and click on "RULES" you are given a list of rules and - at the bottom - it says "pdf version". If you click on that and go to rule 2.1 and 4.12 it says that ground sharing is allowed! Or am I missing something?
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Post by dave2 on Jan 29, 2010 15:03:29 GMT
Re Brians post add 'but not to gain promotion!'
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Post by loungebar on Jan 29, 2010 19:40:37 GMT
if any more greyhounds break their leg then they might be looking for a new tenant - just have to move the speedway to Matchams and then we are sorted! But then again the owners want to build houses at Matchams... ...green belt at Canford Arena - I really don't envy the BOD's task ahead. maybe someone will be lucky and win the Euromillions tonight.
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Post by baileypete on Jan 29, 2010 20:07:40 GMT
after reading all the above comments and the piece that clive wrote it looks like another few seasons in the wessex league
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Post by stfcinbmth on Jan 29, 2010 20:13:41 GMT
after reading all the above comments and the piece that clive wrote it looks like another few seasons in the wessex league Luckily the precedents have already set in and around that area, with other developments, including floodlights
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Post by sterteroad on Jan 29, 2010 20:23:40 GMT
Now a few things have become clear to me, I trust the BOD to do the right thing for the future of PTFC.
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Post by baileypete on Feb 16, 2010 16:30:03 GMT
would it be possible to ground share with christchurch at hurn bridge or is it not up the next step level witch it would not be far to travel for us locals
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