Winchester v Poole

[ballboy]

Nothing ever changes not just lost but thrashed. Dorchester now have same number of points as Poole. Don't tell me Poole have games in hand you have to win them.

[bearwoodbob]

This shambles cannot go on. Lost 9 from last 10 League games. The players are just hearing the same old voices !!! BOD stop flooding the squad with players your deflecting the real problems.

[jamesm]

That was poor today. We just didn't win the second ball & if it hadn't been for some good saves from Max Evans (despite the dodgy bounce for their opener), it could easily have been 6 or 7. We're sorely lacking pace & mobility, particularly at centre half & I don't think Zouma is going to be the answer. Harvey Wright & Toby Holmes were badly missed. We go again Tuesday but will definitely need a positive reaction & much improved performance. COYD!

[expat]

Put some of those under 23s in there!

[deano is a dolphin]

We are a shambles of a club at the minute, tide needs to turn pretty quickly.

[rob bayston]

Mar 16, 2024 20:13:20 GMT expat said:

Put some of those under 23s in there!

Last week your advice was get players from a higher level??? You really do come across as deluded and contradictory?

[BD]

Mar 16, 2024 18:25:10 GMT bearwoodbob said:

This shambles cannot go on. Lost 9 from last 10 League games. The players are just hearing the same old voices !!! BOD stop flooding the squad with players your deflecting the real problems.

Damage has already been done. All that's they are doing now is panic signings, there is now a genuine fear we may go down. Gap is now 7pts....

[BD]

Mar 16, 2024 21:10:08 GMT rob bayston said:

Mar 16, 2024 20:13:20 GMT expat said:

Put some of those under 23s in there!

Last week your advice was get players from a higher level??? You really do come across as deluded and contradictory?

Can't do any worse than what's out there at the moment

[expat]

Read the post BD
The suggestion was for a manager of NLS calibre to recruit players of the same for next season
Of vmcourse we won’t need them if we are olaying at Turlin Moor!!

[expat]

Anyway Sam Surridge got away from
It all!
Scored for Nashville last night

[cheeseo]

young forbes seems to be improving. someone needs to feed the strikers ?

[dolphin]

What were people expecting when you appoint a completely inexperienced manager who was part of the coaching team on the awful losing streak.

When you look at the line up and the players that Poole have, it really is unacceptable to be losing teams with by far a lesser budget and ability on paper.

[BD]

Mar 17, 2024 12:25:48 GMT dolphin said:

What were people expecting when you appoint a completely inexperienced manager who was part of the coaching team on the awful losing streak.

When you look at the line up and the players that Poole have, it really is unacceptable to be losing teams with by far a lesser budget and ability on paper.

The last part of your statement is arrogant. To day winchester have less ability is wrong. They battered us 4-0, and it flattered us.

[John Anderson]

On another thread I questioned the wisdom of re-signing players this early in the season. Perhaps parachuting players in at this stage is panic buying but something has to be done. Realistically, we need 45 points from the remaining games. In the last ten years, as far as I can see, no club has been relegated on 45 points in a 42 game season. The result at Gosport proved it can be done and many of the teams below us are also struggling for form.

So we need a couple of wins or a win and a draw to make ourselves fairly safe. Then we need someone in to do to the squad what the JCBs will so be doing to the pitch.

It is easy, in hindsight, to look back and see the pre-Tubbs days as some sort of heaven BUT the fact was that we were underperforming then as a club, Maybe the timing has accelerated the decline but we were going nowhere. TK worked well with a good experienced Assistant Manager and realistically we have not had one for some time. My thoughts were to get Howsey, back as Tommy’s 2IC but sadly that experiment is not taking place here but along the A31. So where do we go from here.

Firstly, the new Manager must have a clean start, no baggage from what has gone on before. Each player must be there on merit, including the club captain. You cannot tie an incoming managers hands from day one. Then let’s watch them build something.

Finally, forget Dorchester. They have a good stable management team and some of our best players. That they would improve was inevitable. Let us survive this campaign and go on from there.

[grandad]

Totally agree John. Must admit though, when T.K. left I had hoped the B of D would be able to entice Howsey across from Dorch. We'll never know, but his previous links with the club and players might just have meant we wouldn't have lost so many players.

[dolphin]

Mar 17, 2024 13:32:46 GMT BD said:

Mar 17, 2024 12:25:48 GMT dolphin said:

What were people expecting when you appoint a completely inexperienced manager who was part of the coaching team on the awful losing streak.

When you look at the line up and the players that Poole have, it really is unacceptable to be losing teams with by far a lesser budget and ability on paper.

The last part of your statement is arrogant. To day winchester have less ability is wrong. They battered us 4-0, and it flattered us.

Apologies, it wasn’t aimed at Winchester but across the 10 games in general where we’ve lost 9 and what I’m saying is that on paper we have players that should be winning games, there aren’t many teams in this league that wouldn’t like to have the likes of Toby Holmes and Wes Fogden.

This is why we should be worried about the results, nothing is won on paper of course and as you rightly say Winchester throughly deserved to win but this isn’t a team with no budget, no skill, no experience and no ability. That’s why it’s even more concerning that the results are so bad, there is something seriously wrong with the attitude, effort and commitment of the places to be on such a bad run?

And the turnover of players doesn’t help one bit, you never know until kick off how many have been signed the day before. Agreed with comments above that it’s crazy that some players are being signed on for next season when we don’t even know who the manager will be yet, how do we know that it’s players that he would wanted to have kept and signed on, are the managers even getting a say on these incomings and outgoings or is ‘someone’ playing fantasy football

[BD]

Mar 17, 2024 13:47:39 GMT John Anderson said:

On another thread I questioned the wisdom of re-signing players this early in the season. Perhaps parachuting players in at this stage is panic buying but something has to be done. Realistically, we need 45 points from the remaining games. In the last ten years, as far as I can see, no club has been relegated on 45 points in a 42 game season. The result at Gosport proved it can be done and many of the teams below us are also struggling for form.

So we need a couple of wins or a win and a draw to make ourselves fairly safe. Then we need someone in to do to the squad what the JCBs will so be doing to the pitch.

It is easy, in hindsight, to look back and see the pre-Tubbs days as some sort of heaven BUT the fact was that we were underperforming then as a club, Maybe the timing has accelerated the decline but we were going nowhere. TK worked well with a good experienced Assistant Manager and realistically we have not had one for some time. My thoughts were to get Howsey, back as Tommy’s 2IC but sadly that experiment is not taking place here but along the A31. So where do we go from here.

Firstly, the new Manager must have a clean start, no baggage from what has gone on before. Each player must be there on merit, including the club captain. You cannot tie an incoming managers hands from day one. Then let’s watch them build something.

Finally, forget Dorchester. They have a good stable management team and some of our best players. That they would improve was inevitable. Let us survive this campaign and go on from there.

Underperforming? Can't say i entirely agree with that. We were still very much in and around the playoffs, we'd just come off the back of an FA Cup win. The season was barely taking shape, and yet Rossiter took it upon himself to unceremoniously sack Tom and parachute someone who wasn't really pulling up trees at Bashley, you could say he was Underperforming there.

We are where we are because of that decision. You're damn right it's easy in hindsight, but it was damn easy to see at the time this decision was ridiculous! The timing was awful, bloody stupid! And now look where we are, on our 3rd Manager of the season and only 7pts off the relegation zone. We are 4th bottom on form table over the last 5 games, Dorchester are 2nd. Bit difficult to forget about Dorchester knowing whose there leading that revival.

[expat]

Potential!
Let’s live up to it
No more pie in the sky stuff about Nirvana in some forsaken
Corner of the Ancient Town
I still believe that on our relegation from the NLS that was the time to
Change Managers. We were promised
a quick return but that has not happened
So let’s have a vision; one with which players and fans can identify
PTFC playing at The Stadium in Poole and with the type of team that we know will be contenders
So BOD we have to part company with some journeymen players,
At seasons end and start recruiting as soon as the final whistle blows(thankfully ) on this debacle of a seasion
And BOD get talking to that new Public Transport officer on BCP and get his views on remote location facilities

[WelshDolphin]

Mar 17, 2024 19:54:08 GMT BD said:

Mar 17, 2024 13:47:39 GMT John Anderson said:

It is easy, in hindsight, to look back and see the pre-Tubbs days as some sort of heaven BUT the fact was that we were underperforming then as a club, Maybe the timing has accelerated the decline but we were going nowhere.

Underperforming? Can't say i entirely agree with that. We were still very much in and around the playoffs, we'd just come off the back of an FA Cup win. The season was barely taking shape, and yet Rossiter took it upon himself to unceremoniously sack Tom and parachute someone who wasn't really pulling up trees at Bashley, you could say he was Underperforming there.

We are where we are because of that decision. You're damn right it's easy in hindsight, but it was damn easy to see at the time this decision was ridiculous! The timing was awful, bloody stupid! And now look where we are, on our 3rd Manager of the season and only 7pts off the relegation zone. We are 4th bottom on form table over the last 5 games, Dorchester are 2nd. Bit difficult to forget about Dorchester knowing whose there leading that revival.

Just to echo BD's point with some stats we were absolutely NOT underperforming under TK and to try and state it as a fact that we were is simply not true.

We only lost 3 of our last 26 games with TK in charge (and 1 of those was a dead rubber against Swindon when we had already sealed the playoffs). That is basically title winning form and hardly a sign of a team underperforming. People of course have the right to feel that way (if you thought we should be top and winning every game 5-0) but it simply doesn't bear out when you look at the results.

A manager with a team in that kind of form needed to be given at least this season with a target of "top 2 or you're out" and not sacked before August was out, with the team still in all the cups and only 2 points off the play-offs.