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Post by dubchek on Mar 8, 2011 22:17:19 GMT
Date for the planning application at the Council.
We blew them away online now we need to do the same at the council meeting.
Do all you can to be there i am sure the objectors will.
Just one more push to get our new home.
Fantastic ad in tonights programme,is there any way of getting it on the forum?
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Post by Commercial Director on Mar 8, 2011 23:07:54 GMT
Hold fire just a few days. We do not have 100% confirmation yet that our application will be heard.
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Post by sterteroad on Mar 9, 2011 10:53:15 GMT
I intend to be there.
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Post by dorsetyellow on Mar 9, 2011 15:34:41 GMT
Hold fire for now as we appear to have been DROPPED off the Agenda. Checking to see what is going on.
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Post by parky on Mar 9, 2011 15:37:23 GMT
For gods sake DY not again ??
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Post by dorsetyellow on Mar 9, 2011 15:46:57 GMT
It appears so and if true they need to know our feelings
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 9, 2011 17:27:18 GMT
You know my feelings on this DY. I cannot print what I really feel but suffice to say I am up for any legal and reasonable action.
At a time when the club is so newsworthy and in view of the council's "previous", I would have expected the planning dept to handle this application with great care and meticulous attention to detail but within a reasonable time frame.
What we have experienced falls somewhat short of my expectations. It is as though they went to sleep at Christmas and only woke up late in February.
Clearly a scatter gun approach would be ineffective or counter productive so we will wait to hear confirmation of the position from the BoD.
Then we must quickly consider the next move.
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Mar 9, 2011 19:34:45 GMT
I thought the council were aware of the end of March deadline that is so important for the club.
ANY delay at this stage is only going to make it more difficult than ever!
I'm beginning to suspect either a plot or incompetence or utter ignorance - maybe all three!!!
COYD
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Post by sterteroad on Mar 9, 2011 20:42:21 GMT
Absolute disgrace if this is correct. So much for the promises of all of them. Should we start with the Echo?
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 9, 2011 21:03:18 GMT
Brian, The 31st March is the deadline for a Stadium to be graded for use next year. Bearwood could never be ready for the start of next season.
I am sure the BoD will correct me if I am wrong but getting planning permission is only the start of the process. Only then can the process of applying for grants, loans and fundraising really begin. Building is unlikely to commence without at least some of the funding in place.
I have always been told that the club is well run financially and is in the black. However even the FA Cup run this year "only" netted appox £20K and this is 1% of the estimated cost of Bearwood.
So time really is money in this case as I believe the level of grants available has fallen since the Branksome fiasco. With the current financial climate, any change in the value of grants is likely to be in the wrong direction.
So whatever happens next season, we will not be playing at Bearwood and it may not be until after the start of the 2012/2013 season that we move into our new home.
Regarding the conduct of the planning dept, I should say that at this point, there should have been no involvement direct of councillors in the process.
I have been no idea why the application was postponed last month although a report labeled PPI appeared on the website this week. The PPI was published by the planning department 8 days after their initial deadline for the decision, 25th Feb , and two months after their own deadline for public consultation. So it looks like at least one of the factors delaying the decisive was the tardiness of the planning department.
If there is a delay and the application is delayed until April or later then there maybe another report pending.
So cock-up or conspiracy, you decide but clearly judging by our experience over the past two years, the planning department is clearly not fit for purpose.
I await an update from the BoD with more hope than anticipation but have no fear we will prevail.
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Post by rednwhite on Mar 11, 2011 18:28:18 GMT
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Mar 11, 2011 19:10:40 GMT
John, I thought March 31st was also when we had to be able to demonstrate to the FA;-
1) that we had a suitable ground 'in the pipeline'; and
2) that a suitable temporary ground share arrangement is in place to enable us to get promotion whilst waiitng for our new ground .
In view of what rednwhite informs us (thanks rednwhite) I now believe that Poole Council - contrary to what many councillors told me and probably a lot of others as well - they intend to betray the club yet again!
I know that the CD and the BOD are fully stretched and doing their very best but what can the club do now?
COYD - OPIP
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Post by nursejojo on Mar 11, 2011 19:15:17 GMT
John, I thought March 31st was also when we had to be able to demonstrate to the FA;- 1) that we had a suitable ground 'in the pipeline'; and 2) that a suitable temporary ground share arrangement is in place to enable us to get promotion whilst waiitng for our new ground . In view of what rednwhite informs us (thanks rednwhite) I now believe that Poole Council - contrary to what many councillors told me and probably a lot of others as well - they intend to betray the club yet again! I know that the CD and the BOD are fully stretched and doing their very best but what can the club do now? COYD - OPIP THIS IS BANG OUT OF ORDER! WHY ARE THEY SO AGAINST US? |
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Post by dorsetyellow on Mar 11, 2011 19:46:22 GMT
Let me allay the major concern.
This should not impact on our attempt to gain promotion. There is a very cunning plan in hand which will please all. Can't go public for another week.
Now back to planning:
This stinks! My PERSONAL belief is that they are afraid to deliver the unpopular verdict that they know they will get slaughtered for in the press. I again PERSONALLY say why wait. Let them know now exactly how we feel.
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Mar 11, 2011 19:59:58 GMT
"The unpopular verdict" being a refusal I presume.
If that IS "the unpopular verdict" then it kills promotion - unless your "cunning plan" is SO cunning you can stick a tail on it and call it a fox!!!!
And if the "cunning plan" is not THAT cunning then "the unpopular decision" will leave PTFC at Step 5 FOREVER!!!!!
Looks like another 42 letters and/or e-mails from me to the wonderful Poole Councillors!!
OP was P
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 11, 2011 21:03:25 GMT
Brian,
Our porpoise is still promotion. DY says there is a cunning plan to
Achieve promotion.
With regards to the planning application, I agree with DY. I have already emailed the councillors for my ward and believe that everyone should do the same. With the current interest in the club from all sections of the media, there could be a very big stink.
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Post by baileypete on Mar 11, 2011 21:23:43 GMT
why cant we turn up on the 17th with our banners,scarves and what ever for when they turn up for there planned meeting and have a protest and inform the echo.
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Post by rednwhite on Mar 11, 2011 22:13:50 GMT
The PPI report JohnA refers to seems to regard the site as Green Belt or "safeguarded land" instead of "employment land" so looks likely it would be refused.
Also that any jobs would not be 'created' but 'transferred'.
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 11, 2011 23:59:41 GMT
Correct rednwhite. It really. Is a poorly constructed, poorly written and factually incorrect in places.
I am writing from memory here as I am on my mobile but they seem to be invoking a sort of Catch22 clause with regards the status of the land.
With regard to the impact on employment, that is baloney. As far as I am aware, Tatnam will continue as a venue for other teams in the club and will still need upkeep.
Bearwood would need staff even if part time so there would be a net gain in employment.
There is a section that argues that the area taken up would be much bigger than the club has stated as the access road was not included. This is real slight of hand as the road is needed for any development on this site. It is correct that if you take the size of the access road from the site as a whole, the area available for development is much reduced. However to assign the area of the road as a whole to either the first or indeed any development is a gross distortion.
The environment and both noise and light pollution are mentioned. Light pollution is covered in the report from the floodlighting company.
All the reports from environmental and wildlife agencies indicated that there would be no impact on wildlife except possibly one reptile but that provision of a small pathway will solve this.
Finally, noise. Modern PA speakers can be angled so that noise pollution is minimal. With enough speakers at the correct power levels, a Public Address system be designed that keeps all spectators informed with minimal spill outside the stadium. How do I know this? Forty years in the filed of sound and vision system design/installation.
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Post by dubchek on Mar 12, 2011 8:25:10 GMT
UKIP were the only political party to post support on the planning aplication.
I know where my vote will be going in May and it wont be to those Tory and Liberal clowns who are not fit for purpose.
How does AFC Poole Town (Bouremouth) sound??
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Mar 12, 2011 13:07:58 GMT
Thanks John and thanks dubchek.
I think I understand the situation now.
Not very hopeful at all!!!!
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Post by expat on Mar 12, 2011 17:55:31 GMT
Let me allay the major concern. This should not impact on our attempt to gain promotion. There is a very cunning plan in hand which will please all. Can't go public for another week. Now back to planning: This stinks! My PERSONAL belief is that they are afraid to deliver the unpopular verdict that they know they will get slaughtered for in the press. I again PERSONALLY say why wait. Let them know now exactly how we feel. Is there ANYTHING that we as supporters can do. If we don't follow The Marquess of Queensbury rules who will criticise us?? Surely not the media who have the story of a lifetime here?? Surely not the people of Poole who are at last awakening to the fact that PTFC are bringing some pride back to the Town?? one thing pols of all stripes CANNOT stand is bad public image...Let the light shine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by dubchek on Mar 12, 2011 17:58:40 GMT
The point i was making was this is the last throw of the dice for our club to stay in the Borough.
I have more chance of winning the lottery that someone in the council finding some backbone and kick the Pirates out of our true spritual home.
I would rather the club stay together and progress than stagnate where we are.
Poole council do not deserve a diamond club that they hate,so lets clear off, they deserve Hamworthy and Poole Borough.
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Post by dave on Mar 13, 2011 10:06:00 GMT
It seems that the Planning application has been put back yet again by a further month by Poole Council. What is going on?
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Post by sterteroad on Mar 13, 2011 10:17:38 GMT
What can we do now? I will start by E-Mailing my ward Councillors, but two of them, the current Mayor and the future Sheriff have not exactly been truthful with me so far.
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 13, 2011 10:55:07 GMT
There is still a lot of confusion about what is going on and I am not clear on everything but here goes:
Brian asked:
Yes this is true there has to be a suitable ground for playing at next season ready, inspected and graded by the 31st March. This has nothing to do with Bearwood. Bearwood is a process where we know the process has started but have no idea when it will end.
This time last year, we already new that we would not be going up owing to the ground issue. This year we have heard little since the "thinking out of the box" proposal. It was clear that this was Bournemouth Athletic Stadium in Kings Park, Bournemouth as several Athletics officials voiced their concerns to the OHEC.
The Echo is also strangely quiet on the issue. There is a lot going on at the moment with the Cherries riding high in Div1, the Vase etc. So they do have a lot of material. However we all know that good news sell fewer papers than bad news (otherwise the Mail would be out of business). So I suspect that there is little to report.
Again there is some debate as to whether such a ground share could be undertaken just to gain promotion (forbidden under FA rules) or whether it would be allowed owing to our two failed attempts. One thing that was put to me (sorry cannot remember who) is that the "Out of the Box" solution described above would not be groundsharing and so would clear this hurdle. Again my feeling no nes is good news.
I do not subscribe to the conspiracy theory and also believe that, so far, no councillors have been involved in the process. The cock up theory has some evidence behind it in that it has taken the Planning Dept two months past the original hearing date to produce a poorly drafted, badly researched report.
Yesterday at the ground, Parky announced over the PA that the new meeting date would be in April. However the agenda is written about a week before the meeting so we do not yet know if Bearwood will be discussed at the April meeting. I am sure that the club will be doing all they can to find out what has caused the delay and to confirm when the meeting will be heard.
We see them at every match and how they can keep enjoying their football, with all that is going on, is beyond me.
Finally, just remember that promotion has nothing to do with Bearwood. It will not be ready for anytime next season and rather the 2012/2013 season and even then maybe not for the start of the campaign.
It is only two weeks till we must know what's happening for next year re the temporary ground solution. With this, the delays over Beawood, the vase and the Title run-in everyday is going to have some news of new information from the club. It is going to be a roller-coaster sohang on and enjoy the ride.
A stadium is the body that holds the heart of the club. When the time is right the heart will be transplanted to Bearwood. In the meantime let us enjoy Tatnum while the club's heart still proudly beats within it.
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Post by expat on Mar 13, 2011 15:27:27 GMT
What can we do now? I will start by E-Mailing my ward Councillors, but two of them, the current Mayor and the future Sheriff have not exactly been truthful with me so far. Perhaps we should change the heading of this thread to THE TOWN OF POOLE NEEDS POOLE TOWN FC..NOW!! One would have thought that every job created in Poole would bring some relief in the current economic situation. Reading the Echo it seems as if the High St is having trouble,pity we weren't going for the Stadium option as we could then probably get a lot of the "Old Town" and its councillors on board Whoops, sorry I said the Stadium word!! UP THE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN!! |
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Post by expat on Mar 13, 2011 17:24:38 GMT
For gods sake DY not again ??  wiktionary; Farce - an improbable or ludicrous situation. PTFC limits ticket only Vase semi to 2000 PTFC BOD and Poole Council struggle to establish new home for the Town's premier NL team on a greenfield site 4 miles from town centre..despite PTFC having to turn down promotion TWO seasons in a row and we are all praying not THREE!! meanwhile Old town centre struggling financially needs jobs and people AFCB boss offers Dean Court to PTFC for game (lets give AFCB credit for that) Meanwhile about 600yds from Tatnam ground(provided courtesy of Oakdale school ) sits Poole Stadium, as dubchek so rightly said "our spiritual home" EMPTY but capable of holding 5/6000 easily BUT according to our BOD incapable of being adapted to being a football venue again. So we build Bearwood at X number of pounds on a greenfield site but its still "out there" like the planet Pluto. Is anyone seriously suggesting that given finance and technology Poole Stadium could not be a`football venue again. I ASK YOU _ DOES ANY OF THIS MAKE SENSE? Would any supporter like to ask their councillor(s) what their opinion would be on Poole Stadium once again being a `Football venue. If Bearwood is going to be another saga like Branksome Rec ., more time,money and frustration: it might well be worth the effort. Remember that old motto "lets Keep the Town in Poole" UP THE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN!! |
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 13, 2011 17:40:00 GMT
Expat as long as they race greyhound and speedway there, it is not possible. The space in the middle is only about 90 metres long and to extend it would mean that the dogs/speedway start/finishes would be in the wrong place.
With all due respect to those "sports", if you ask me they are in the wrong place. That is they are in Poole.
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 13, 2011 18:12:04 GMT
Expat this is an approximate image of Tatnum pitch overlaid on the Stadium. The red lines are the pitch with no allowances for the 1.5metres requires before fences or barriers. While Tatnum is a large pitch, clearly the Speedway track would have to go. Attachments:
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