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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 9:15:11 GMT
Agree that Tatnam can be upgraded, however it's not the work that's the issue it's whether we can get the planning permission to do the work, remember the huge sigh of relief at the last hearings? The school want the field back and then there is the residents in and around Tatnam. Our time at Tatnam is running out, we will need to move within the next five years in my opinion
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Post by scorpio on Jan 6, 2015 19:38:37 GMT
I agree with Expat regards being to far away from the pitch (at the Stadium). The seated and standing viewing far exceeded anything we have encountered since. Rowdy mentions that the big glass building was a huge investment but most of the infastructure was already in place, and on the refurbishment I layed some smelly old carpet tiles in the bar which had been shipped down from Hackney Stadium to save on costs.In hindsight a shame we were not resident at Tatnam before the school was built.With all of that site at our disposal (permission granted) we could have built a stadium to be proud of. As it stands the present occupants seem to dictate matters.
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Post by justafan1 on Jan 7, 2015 17:17:32 GMT
I'm not in favour of returning to the stadium, because, just like many others, I don't feel the venue is suitable for football whether the greyhounds go or not. Much prefer the closeness of the action from leaning on the barrier.
Mention of a new ground seems to revolve around available land, preferably within the town area. Directly west from the Tatnam between the railway line and Holes Bay Road there is a sizeable plot at the end of the industrial area. Why not there? No residential liabilities, ease of access off Holes Bay Road, car parking, and big enough to expand as and when (if!) ever required.
I can't find any reference to it in the threads but I'm sure someone has proferred the suggestion. Has it been deemed unavailable for such use?
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Post by expat on Jan 7, 2015 17:25:58 GMT
On another thread mention is made of the crest outside the old PTFCSC bar(I liked it!!) at The Stadium and there was talk of moving it. Is it still there?
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Post by benito on Jan 7, 2015 18:21:33 GMT
To confirm I drive past the stadium every single day, and yes the plaque supplied and fitted by PTFCSC is still in position. If you look back at the original post I was the sad person who brought up the subject of removing the plaque and relocating it to Tatnam. Plenty of people (you know who you are!) have posted about sorting it out but unfortunately it is still concreted into the grandstand wall above the door. Very sad I think.
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Post by John Anderson on Jan 7, 2015 23:41:08 GMT
I'm not in favour of returning to the stadium, because, just like many others, I don't feel the venue is suitable for football whether the greyhounds go or not. Much prefer the closeness of the action from leaning on the barrier. Mention of a new ground seems to revolve around available land, preferably within the town area. Directly west from the Tatnam between the railway line and Holes Bay Road there is a sizeable plot at the end of the industrial area. Why not there? No residential liabilities, ease of access off Holes Bay Road, car parking, and big enough to expand as and when (if!) ever required. I can't find any reference to it in the threads but I'm sure someone has proferred the suggestion. Has it been deemed unavailable for such use? Do you mean the land in this picture? Attachments:
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Post by Commercial Director on Jan 8, 2015 6:55:43 GMT
To confirm I drive past the stadium every single day, and yes the plaque supplied and fitted by PTFCSC is still in position. If you look back at the original post I was the sad person who brought up the subject of removing the plaque and relocating it to Tatnam. Plenty of people (you know who you are!) have posted about sorting it out but unfortunately it is still concreted into the grandstand wall above the door. Very sad I think. We have had confirmation that the plaque is ours to take when we want. We decided we would use it when we have a permanent home. In the meantime it is safer from damage where it is. |
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Post by dubchek on Jan 8, 2015 7:49:08 GMT
I'm not in favour of returning to the stadium, because, just like many others, I don't feel the venue is suitable for football whether the greyhounds go or not. Much prefer the closeness of the action from leaning on the barrier. Mention of a new ground seems to revolve around available land, preferably within the town area. Directly west from the Tatnam between the railway line and Holes Bay Road there is a sizeable plot at the end of the industrial area. Why not there? No residential liabilities, ease of access off Holes Bay Road, car parking, and big enough to expand as and when (if!) ever required. I can't find any reference to it in the threads but I'm sure someone has proferred the suggestion. Has it been deemed unavailable for such use? Do you mean the land in this picture? I uploaded a picture of that location as an ideal site close to the Stadium and Tatnam,when EM first came on the scene. |
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Post by John Anderson on Jan 8, 2015 9:14:47 GMT
Sorry Dubchek, I missed that one. Do we know who owns it? Has this area been considered?
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Post by expat on Jan 8, 2015 13:29:42 GMT
...and for the upcoming clash of Dorset's best non league teams free parking has been offered where??
...its on twitter!!
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Post by John Anderson on Jan 8, 2015 14:47:34 GMT
Ha ha That is all it is good for.
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Post by benito on Jan 8, 2015 17:40:19 GMT
Re the plaque "we decided it would be safer from damage where it is" absolutely priceless. (can't be bothered more like) Get the thing down and put in in the clubhouse. Its ours and as much as I want to believe we will get a new permanent home to put it, it will probably never happen. Every tiny piece of land in and around Poole has been poured over time and time again and as we all know (the longer term fans that is) nobody wants a football ground on their doorstep. So IMHO we stay at Tatnam with a bit more upgrading or we go to the Stadium when dogs and speedway pack up. That is the only two options. So if we have permission to reclaim one of the very few historical artefacts left from the stadium days then bloody well claim it.
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Post by Commercial Director on Jan 8, 2015 18:05:37 GMT
Benito - If you want to go down, at your time and cost, and arrange removal without damaging it and make good the area where it is mounted, then I am happy to set that up for you. At least I have already asked the question of the stadium management and been told we can take it when we want. Sorry that in the meantime I/we felt the priority was achieving ground grading and success on the pitch rather than bringing a plaque to what could be a temporary home from what you yourself admit could become our permanent home.
Do you want me to put you in touch so that you can make arrangements?
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Post by scorpio on Jan 8, 2015 20:50:09 GMT
Commercial Director is right. Leave the plaque where it is. We havent got a cat in hells chance of a new stadium unless a supporter wins Euromillions, so best leave alone. A reminder as well to people that this was once our rightful home.
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Post by benito on Jan 8, 2015 20:54:03 GMT
I get the feeling you really don't like any criticism. You are not the only director of the club but it always seems to be you that responds to any. Yes we want success on the pitch but I don't want to forget our past either. Have you enquired or calculated a price to carry out the work? I am not a builder by trade so the answer to your question is no, I do not need to be put in contact with Mr. Spencer-Perkins of the Stadium. But if we had an approximate price to carry out the work correctly which would include public liability we could possibly see if any fans would like to bring home a symbol of our past glory by placing an order with a local building firm.
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Post by Commercial Director on Jan 8, 2015 21:35:30 GMT
Nor am I or any other Director a Builder. Please feel free to project manage that and determine the costs. Then come up with a scheme to raise the necessary funds and put it in place.
It's easy to say lets get a plaque back and suggest others can't be bothered. Please show just how bothered you can be.
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Post by expat on Jan 8, 2015 22:06:51 GMT
Sorry Dubchek, I missed that one. Do we know who owns it? Has this area been considered? looks like the back of Millers..sorry Kerry food factory where I worked back in the 60s; only thing is I think it was all part of the tidal mud flats then but infilled(all those outdated pork pies!!) ..and John as another commenter says, is there not room for two stadia where all those Terras fans are going to be parking,lets face it big crowds(in excess of 2000) are going to bring problems to Tatnam Rd and area |
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Post by expat on Jan 8, 2015 23:02:57 GMT
Ha ha That is all it is good for. Yes, it is such an anomalous situation that it is sadly,funny. biggest match in recent Dolphins History. Where do fans of all stripes get to park. Poole Stadium. So assuming your from up country you get out of your car and expect to go into the Stadium to watch the game. A Stadium with facilities, bars etc and a short walk to the Town centre Hang on, the match is NOT being played here, its a couple of streets over on a leased school field."but oh so much closer to the pitch" What is it going to take to get a solution to our dilemma. MONEY. Even after 10 of the most successful years in the club's history we cannot seem to attract individuals with money to invest in a (possible) Football Conference team in a town of 180,000. Only have to look next door to see what a difference investment is making to AFCB We have the hope of promotion, will someone or some constituted body give us the hope for a proper home. |
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Post by John Anderson on Jan 9, 2015 8:57:54 GMT
There is a tenuous clue in my post John Very cryptic Tony, and one I have considered privately. I think lots bridges need to be built before we sail that boat and I wonder if it is a more Worthy solution than Bearwood? So the question is do we have the Power? Station close enough? On a serious note as land is so scarce would a new Stadium with a ground share and offices for the County FA be the best option? Or perhaps ( prepares for flames) P & H Utd is the solution? |
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Jan 9, 2015 11:17:07 GMT
You won't get shot down by me John because I suggested several years ago that we should move to the County Ground and amalgamate with Hamworthy as 'Poole United'.
We should be able get the blessing of the DCFA who, I understand own the County Ground, after all that is where we ground shared briefly back in the nineties after the 'eviction' from The Stadium.
The 'Hammers' could become 'Poole United' reserves and stay in the Wessex League. Solved!
You have a reputation for sound ideas John and this is one of them!
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Post by John Anderson on Jan 9, 2015 11:26:04 GMT
Expat, AFCB are part of the problem.
A sugar daddies are not the solution for clubs at any level. They always go eventually then the club falls dramatically to their natural level or below. Think Blackburn or worse Rushden and Diamonds & closer to home, Salisbury..
This club could be sustainable without being bankrolled by a Sheikh or Oligarch, at two or three levels higher under the right conditions,
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Post by expat on Jan 9, 2015 11:29:58 GMT
Agreed, Brian. I did say several years ago when we were in the Wessex. Too many teams competing for the NL
pound in Poole,although WE are improving our status considerably. I note that it is over a year since EM was
taken on our BOD with a remit to find a new ground for PTFC. As we teeter on the edge of the Conference( with our age old rivals as our biggest competitor) can we possibly hear on update on possibilities??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 13:48:19 GMT
You won't get shot down by me John because I suggested several years ago that we should move to the County Ground and amalgamate with Hamworthy as 'Poole United'. We should be able get the blessing of the DCFA who, I understand own the County Ground, after all that is where we ground shared briefly back in the nineties after the 'eviction' from The Stadium. The 'Hammers' could become 'Poole United' reserves and stay in the Wessex League. Solved! You have a reputation for sound ideas John and this is one of them! Why amalgamate the teams? Why not just ground share? Forgive my next comment Brian but with all due respect, to suggest we should amalgamate and have Hamworthy as our reserve side in the Wessex is the kind of patrony/arrogance that makes us disliked in some quarters. Why not combine our resources, along with the DCFA and work together to Make the county ground the Pride of the Town? |
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Post by John Anderson on Jan 9, 2015 13:53:59 GMT
You won't get shot down by me John because I suggested several years ago that we should move to the County Ground and amalgamate with Hamworthy as 'Poole United'. We should be able get the blessing of the DCFA who, I understand own the County Ground, after all that is where we ground shared briefly back in the nineties after the 'eviction' from The Stadium. The 'Hammers' could become 'Poole United' reserves and stay in the Wessex League. Solved! You have a reputation for sound ideas John and this is one of them! The County Ground is owned by Poole Borough Council, leased to Dorset County FA and then sub-leased to Hamworthy United. I agree with Tony that a ground share would be best. Any amalgamation will lose fans and it is better to retain identities. |
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Post by benito on Jan 9, 2015 16:21:15 GMT
All long term fans will be sat looking at these posts and will be thinking 'Please not again' all these ideas were brought up when we were kicked out of the Stadium (plaque and all) we were going to amalgamate, we were going to run their bar that they paid for, we were going to be the 'senior ' team. How do you think Hamworthy United feel? I live in Hamworthy and unfortunately (or fortunately for them) I have no interest in them BUT it's their ground, their bar, their set up and they do not want us there. End of, this sort of posting as BD said above is why we are disliked in certain quarters. Poole Stadium is the only answer. From memory we wasted 25k upgrading the county ground when we were briefly there, add to that the costs incurred with Branksome Rec and Canford Area pipe dreams. All this money could have been saved. I'm not knocking new or recent fans I am really glad we are gaining a few, BUT as I said earlier every tiny piece of land, every possible avenue has be exhausted. I suppose it's only a matter of time before someone suggests we amalgamate with Poppies!
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Jan 9, 2015 17:32:13 GMT
When only expat agrees with you, you know you are in trouble! However, thanks expat, you're a pal.
Firstly, you're quite right benito. The ground share didn't work all those years ago because we weren't wanted there then. As I recall, the DCFA wanted us but the Hammers did not!
Secondly, I accept the point made by blandforddolphin that my suggestion was a touch arrogant in the way I worded it - I wasn't really expecting anyone to take it seriously, it wasn't the last time I made it!
Thirdly, yes John and BD, a ground share might be better but it has to be an amicable one and that is where it gets tricky.
I still think it might offer the best long term solution with good will all round.
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Post by scorpio on Jan 9, 2015 20:08:55 GMT
Benito and others are right, are only hope of a suitable new home is the Stadium.Hopefully if we get promoted, perform well, and start nudging the Conference then we will have to seriously think about getting local politicians involved in the debate, along with the Council and anyone else of any standing to help fight our corner.A few of us swapping opinions on here does not tap into the wider audience outside, many of whom I am sure would give us their backing.
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Post by Jack Tanner on Jan 9, 2015 21:37:19 GMT
I don't see how trying to push the stadium is going to work - it is nowhere near the stage of "Just add Football Team for instantaneous results ". Even if we did have to be a mile from the pitch, the corners get cut up really badly, and it doesn't look like the current pitch dimensions we use at Tatnam would even fit on to the grass area of the stadium, and the current dimensions suit how we play - take the Away game against St Neots. Nice ground, pitch was in good nick, it just was small and compact, which is probably how St Neots like it - they have an advantage, they've built how they play on the pitch at their stadium. We might have to change how we play if we moved, and that wouldn't be beneficial. The only way the Stadium would ever work for us if it was just us there, and that isn't going to happen for a while.
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Post by expat on Jan 9, 2015 21:57:59 GMT
Should we make it to the Conference we will playing quite a number of teams that have played in the Football
League and that have good grounds. If we don't get the big picture we are going to be at Tatnam for a long,long time. I note that west Ham are having a pretty good season and will be moving to the converted Olympic Stadium.
do you think those highly paid professionals will be able to blame a 'different' pitch for a bad performance
We will never get The Stadium to ourselves, does it make sense to operate a facility like that for two days a week(max) for one sport, given the lack of facilities in Poole. Technology and compromise will eventually result in a far different Stadium and ,hopefully, we can live alongside The Pirates as we did for many years in the past
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Post by expat on Jan 9, 2015 22:07:34 GMT
When only expat agrees with you, you know you are in trouble! However, thanks expat, you're a pal. Firstly, you're quite right benito. The ground share didn't work all those years ago because we weren't wanted there then. As I recall, the DCFA wanted us but the Hammers did not! Secondly, I accept the point made by blandforddolphin that my suggestion was a touch arrogant in the way I worded it - I wasn't really expecting anyone to take it seriously, it wasn't the last time I made it! Thirdly, yes John and BD, a ground share might be better but it has to be an amicable one and that is where it gets tricky. I still think it might offer the best long term solution with good will all round. Brian, i know a lot of hot air gets expended here BUT when that hot air can lead to something as useful and positive to the Club as the Player Fund then i think it does serve its purpose UP THE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN!!! |
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