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Post by slepe13 on May 13, 2014 7:48:45 GMT
Since Bearwood looks dead in the water, shouldn't Bearwood be removed from this heading.
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Post by John Anderson on May 13, 2014 9:00:46 GMT
Slepe never say never. Despite the new Stadium plans being displayed, Tatnam is time limited if we get promotion and Bearwood my be Plan C but Plan EM is a long way off and far from ideal.
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Post by expat on Aug 1, 2014 8:08:20 GMT
Football Conference to allow 3
3G pitches get go ahead for 2015/16 season for Football Conference!!
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Post by dubchek on Aug 1, 2014 15:03:28 GMT
3G at Bearwood then if it is ever built.
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Post by John Anderson on Sept 11, 2014 10:39:31 GMT
One of the big issues at Tatnam is the Clubhouse opening hours. It does not allow any real income to be generated outside of 4 hours on match days.
At least at Bearwood there could be no reasonable objection to the use of the clubhouse during traditional licensing hours and for social events not connected to football (like the World Cup for England).
Has everyone supported the planning change fir the bar at Tatnam yet?
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Post by John Anderson on Sept 11, 2014 10:41:01 GMT
On another note, how about building the Stadium at Bearwood around the current 3G pitch. That would save some money.
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Post by Jack Tanner on Sept 11, 2014 19:21:30 GMT
On another note, how about building the Stadium at Bearwood around the current 3G pitch. That would save some money. Looking at the Wales game, and other similar stadiums, 3G doesn't seem the way to go at all. |
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Post by John Anderson on Sept 12, 2014 13:25:26 GMT
That was a bad pitch but modern artificial pitches are much better.
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Post by Jack Tanner on Sept 12, 2014 15:28:08 GMT
That was a bad pitch but modern artificial pitches are much better. That was modern, that was the first international game played on it, it's brand new. And we would still be banned from the Conference if we win promotion, as well as professional football (League 2 upwards). 3G is not the way forward. Quotes from Chris Coleman: The Wales manager, Chris Coleman, said after his side’s win: “In my opinion the pitch is not up to the standard of a Uefa qualifier. But I don’t want to make a protest because I want other teams to come here. “I didn’t want to say anything about the pitch before the game, but I can now and if you’re a passing team, forget it.” We are a passing team, we like to keep the ball on the deck. |
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Post by dubchek on Sept 13, 2014 7:14:44 GMT
If you want to see a modern 3G pitch at non league level in action,go on the Wimborne website and watch the highlights of their game at Merthyr,plenty of passing on the deck.For extra revenue that it could generate for any non league club it's a no brainer.
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Post by John Anderson on Sept 13, 2014 9:25:42 GMT
Of course the players train on the 3G pitch at Bearwood.
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Post by expat on Sept 17, 2014 15:52:40 GMT
Football Conference to allow 3 3G pitches get go ahead for 2015/16 season for Football Conference!! Another mid season fixture pile up like the one we have recently experienced will get a few nay sayers aboard..and Bearwood, has Voyager One passed it yet!! |
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Post by Jack Tanner on Sept 17, 2014 19:38:26 GMT
That's all very good but training well on 3G != playing on 3G well. What happens when we play away? The players are going to be used to 3G pitches and there is an obvious disadvantage. All that needs to be done is to implement better drainage, which has already been semi-implemented. I recall that a game everybody thought would be called off due to heavy rain was perfect. Anyway, the goal is after Conference is league football, where 3G is banned. Also, most Conference clubs still don't want 3G pitches. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a complete U-turn.
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Post by expat on Sept 25, 2014 19:30:07 GMT
just reading of Chris Reeves attempts to get a backer for naming rights to Tatnam.
How is EM's effort coming along to revamp The SXXXXXM..far better chance of getting a backer for a facility like the one envisioned I would think and from what little Ive seen in the Echo, the politicians seem to like the idea of The Town staying in Poole.There are major international corporations doing business in Poole..get 'em on board!!
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Post by expat on Dec 2, 2014 10:37:20 GMT
Slepe never say never. Despite the new Stadium plans being displayed, Tatnam is time limited if we get promotion and Bearwood my be Plan C but Plan EM is a long way off and far from ideal. Well part one of OF expats annual Christmas wish list might be coming true.Chris Reeves to ask SL(  ?? are we planning on playing in the SL next season??)to avoid PTFC fixture clashes with AFCB. ........now, about that Stadium ........and the cheeriedriteup troll on the Echo website |
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Post by Jack Tanner on Dec 2, 2014 17:23:48 GMT
Slepe never say never. Despite the new Stadium plans being displayed, Tatnam is time limited if we get promotion and Bearwood my be Plan C but Plan EM is a long way off and far from ideal. Well part one of OF expats annual Christmas wish list might be coming true.Chris Reeves to ask SL( ?? are we planning on playing in the SL next season??)to avoid PTFC fixture clashes with AFCB. ........now, about that Stadium ........and the cheeriedriteup troll on the Echo website Stadium is never going to happen in your lifetime, my lifetime and maybe a bit after that. Even if the dogs go, Speedway is king - they are the best team in the UK, not only will the council supporting them but I could see Sky Sports help them - they have a big backing. For me, I love being right up at the action, "banter" with the goalkeeper, seeing every tiny detail. Whilst I understand that others that take different views (Siting in the stands) may be indifferent but even though the track is not that wide it still feels like your miles from the action, if you understand where I'm coming from. Whilst I too hope that we won't be playing in the SL next year, it is probably just a business plan - and covering all angles is what you do. Maybe we'll have more luck in the Conference South with fixtures  ? |
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Post by reynolds on Dec 13, 2014 8:12:52 GMT
I have only just read this and totally agree with you but the club needs to progress on the field which it has and off the field which as not really happened money talks and if we do get promoted another seating area with a large number of seats may be required.
Not really bothered about the conference until established in the conference south.
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Post by scorpio on Jan 4, 2015 15:02:27 GMT
Dont read or hear any news about going back to the Stadium. Has that idea been put to bed ?.
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Post by John Anderson on Jan 5, 2015 8:58:35 GMT
The plans for the stadium rely on two things. The new dwellings that would be also be built on the site and the shops/ retail space. With many shops empty in the Dolphin Centre and more waterfront shops/restaurants planned for the Hamworthy Power Station site, it is hard to see a financial justification for the Stadium development.
As far as football is concerned, viewing across a track does not work. I watched QPR across the athletic/dog track for a season and it was dreadful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 10:15:31 GMT
A stadium for football & speedway will not work, neither set of fans want it. If we were to go back to the Stadium then the speedway will have to relocate... Not going to happen. Football is the 2nd sport in Poole, Poole is a speedway town, that's just the way it is at present. We either update Tatnam to an acceptable level or we build a new ground and relocate. There is a third option but bridges would need to be rebuilt before anything would happen there.
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Post by expat on Jan 5, 2015 11:36:48 GMT
it is amazing to me that in these days of internet shopping why shopping centres continue to be built. Empty
storefronts in old town locations are prevalent here in North America as well. I think our first priority has to be to win the SLP championship outright(play-offs and Cup Runs are not our forte). Are single purpose Football grounds(esp for NL) going to fly in the present economic climate. Our season is August through April Speedway is
April through early October,a situation that could be examined? Now that EM,s Sandbanks Stadium plan is gone can he supply us with any further visions.
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Post by John Anderson on Jan 5, 2015 13:59:07 GMT
A stadium for football & speedway will not work, neither set of fans want it. If we were to go back to the Stadium then the speedway will have to relocate... Not going to happen. Football is the 2nd sport in Poole, Poole is a speedway town, that's just the way it is at present. We either update Tatnam to an acceptable level or we build a new ground and relocate. There is a third option but bridges would need to be rebuilt before anything would happen there. I am intrigued with you third option Tony brut I feel the only options are. Tatnam or Bearwood although a ground share at Dean Court would solve the fixture clashes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 14:08:48 GMT
There is a tenuous clue in my post John
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Post by Jack Tanner on Jan 5, 2015 16:23:19 GMT
There is a tenuous clue in my post John Hamworthy's ground by any chance? There is that little bit of unused land directly infront of the Twin Sails bridge, and what would be better than having two "iconic monuments" of Poole next each other?  But in all honesty, even if we wanted to build over there, we would be extremely close to the County Ground, and I don't think residents would want two clubs next to each other, due to lack of parking etc. And that's not taking into account the aforementioned restaurants they want to build there, and they've all ready started calling it Twin Sails Wharf, seems like they are going to push that to make money. Hamworthy could even have to move if it becomes another Sandbanks type area, but I very much doubt that. There has to be a solution some where, even if it isn't present at the moment. It just depends on numerous factors, some that are apparent, some that are behind the scenes. Surely Upton House could spare a bit of land... |
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Post by scorpio on Jan 5, 2015 19:59:50 GMT
Were we to reach Conference level then the stadium issue would have to be addressed. Available land locally is sparse, while a new ground anywhere, will prove expensive and take an age. Although Speedway is well supported locally I am informed that the sport is in decline nationally.Greyhound Racing I believe receives decent renumeration for its satellite broadcasts to foreign betting shops (Sunday).I dont know of the legal complexities that exist but should we reach the heady heights then I guess that the Council will have to be seen to be supporting our return back home as no other viable otions exist.
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Post by dubchek on Jan 5, 2015 22:12:33 GMT
Were we to reach Conference level then the stadium issue would have to be addressed. Available land locally is sparse, while a new ground anywhere, will prove expensive and take an age. Although Speedway is well supported locally I am informed that the sport is in decline nationally.Greyhound Racing I believe receives decent renumeration for its satellite broadcasts to foreign betting shops (Sunday).I dont know of the legal complexities that exist but should we reach the heady heights then I guess that the Council will have to be seen to be supporting our return back home as no other viable otions exist. There is one viable option,planning permission agreed,adjacent 3G training pitch already in use,full use of the clubhouse facilities,ground built to Conference National standard,upgrade would be possible to Football League standard and it's in POOLE.Trouble is it's to far from the town,sea,or some other bloody silly excuse.  |
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Post by expat on Jan 5, 2015 22:36:37 GMT
The real excusers are those saying that "they are too far away from the pitch at The Stadium". Nearly all the infrastructure is in place, yes, engineering problems to solve but Poole used to be famous for mid and light engineering;why not put it out to competition..we have just put up money for players why not do the same for
qualified persons to work it up and get a Poole solution to a Poole problem.
Turlin Moor; need an armoured vehicle to get in and out.scary for seniors!!
Branksome Rec ; They did not want us
The County Ground; They don't want us either
Bearwood; Come on its really part of Wimborne isn't it? Canford Magna is or used to be postal address Wimborne
Check out Lady Wimborne Bridge, Canford Magna.Wimborne(Wikepedia)
Tatnam; an interim solution with pitch problems
Any of the above suitable for the Conference??
The Stadium; Lots of politics; lots of work but we can probably get the pols behind us. ITS IN POOLE.
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Post by Jack Tanner on Jan 5, 2015 22:50:00 GMT
I agree with your other points, such as Bearwood not being Poole, but the stadium is an impossible dream. Even if you kick out two other sports, which earn more money, the costs are high to relay the pitch, get it up to scratch for conference prem, etc. Also, it's not designed as a football stadium, and hasn't been used as one for a while. The big glass building, whilst quite nice, was a huge investment for the Speedway and dogs. It is hardly suited for viewing football from, but it takes up one whole side of the ground. Whilst I haven't been to a speedway meeting recently the stands aren't the best either, but this might have Changed. At the moment, staying at Tatnam and consolidating our position as a Conference club is key. This is a long term problem but there just aren't any apparent answers just yet.
Even if we did move to Bearwood, I'd still follow my team, even if the poor public transport links are a big disadvantage. Heck, we could even groundshare with Weymouth (highly unlikely, hypothetical) I'd still try and make home games.
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Post by Choirboy Dave on Jan 5, 2015 22:55:06 GMT
Looking at the site The Stadium occupies it is big enough to put 2 stadiums on it. One for speedway & one for a football stadium with a 6,000 capacity (what you need for FL I think)
Poole Town could enter in to a partnership with Poole High School to set up an academy & training facility.
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Post by John Anderson on Jan 5, 2015 23:27:32 GMT
Greyhound racing is in decline with tracks closing every year. They used to be supported by the bookies but with online betting, and fixed odds machines, they do not need the dogs.
I have said it before that Tatnam can easily ( with money) be brought up to Grade B and then Grade A standard. For Conf South and Conf Premier respectively but it would need planning permission. However the biggest drawback to Tatnam Is the Clubhouse.. Despite licensing being. The responsibility of the Licensing department at PBC, the draconian conditions of our clubhouse licence severely limits both social and commercial activities at the club.
The recent application to vary the conditions of the licence was refused, mainly on incorrect information?, surely grounds for appeal? The clubhouse more than just a watering hole on for 4 hours on match days. It can be the biggest source of income other than the turnstile but the current restrictions artificially restrict all aspects of the club's growth,
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?? are we planning on playing in the SL next season??)to avoid PTFC fixture clashes with AFCB.
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But in all honesty, even if we wanted to build over there, we would be extremely close to the County Ground, and I don't think residents would want two clubs next to each other, due to lack of parking etc. And that's not taking into account the aforementioned restaurants they want to build there, and they've all ready started calling it Twin Sails Wharf, seems like they are going to push that to make money. Hamworthy could even have to move if it becomes another Sandbanks type area, but I very much doubt that.
